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To: BelegStrongbow; vladimir998; NYer; Coleus; narses; Salvation
Not to be picky, but what made you assume that Clint was Anglican? ...or even Christian, for that matter, hmm?

vladimir998 is making wild guesses. But ignorant arrogant loudmouths often do.

I think vladimir998 might be doing us all a favor with his nakedly-hostile "Christian witness" from the perspective of the Roman Catholic church. I am not an Episcopalian but if I were, looking for a new home, from what he posts I would rank the Roman Catholic church right down there with the Fundies as "A Place Where I Definitely Do Not Want To Go."

vladimir998 says he is Roman Catholic (I seem to recall), but I don't see any RCs on FR restraining, or even chiding, him for the nasty, ugly, vitriolic and bigoted hatred he has been expressing. Silence is assent. Therefore I can conclude on the basis of available information, that Roman Catholics are not Christian. (I would prefer not to.) And if they let vladimir998 remain as their outspoken representative in this forum... I say fine. And I will commend them for their honesty.

But if there is one thing I have learned: a church that silently tolerates, and therefore assents to, statements such as those made by "vladimir998" -- is no church I want to have anything whatsoever to do with. It is, right from the available evidence, clearly not a Christian church.

30 posted on 09/09/2005 7:08:57 PM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams; vladimir998; AnAmericanMother

I have obedience to consider in my own decision but should my bishop agree to communion with Rome I would gladly go. There is no peace outside the Church and no salvation. That is not something to dismiss lightly. And I must say that you introduced your information with what has every appearance of trying to sandbag and discredit vladimir, regardless of whatever point he was making. It was a blind-side drive-by posted with no charity or love whatsoever. I am sorry that vladimir had to bear the brunt of your assault. I apologize to him for permitting you another shot.

Also, your use of foul language doesn't convince. It is true that there have been abusive priests and the Long Lent will continue so long as there are those willing to use it as a stick to beat the Church with. She will survive. Is she currently without spot? No. But then she is a hospital for the cure of souls. That she has had unworthy workers in her wards is also not news. Then again, the parable about slivers and beams in the eyes of the accuser applies to those outside as much as inside the Church. But the validity of the Church does not derive from the sanctity of her children. They may fail her and they may act as if to disgrace her, but she has Christ's warrant: even their own misdeeds will not prevail against the Catholic Church.

Peace,
Deacon Paul+

who is not a Roman Catholic but cannot stand for peurile and childish attacks on Holy Mother Church.

I am glad you clarified that my guess about your angle of approach not being from the Anglican direction was correct. Thanks.


31 posted on 09/09/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
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To: Clint Williams; Religion Moderator
vladimir998 says he is Roman Catholic (I seem to recall), but I don't see any RCs on FR restraining, or even chiding, him for the nasty, ugly, vitriolic and bigoted hatred he has been expressing. Silence is assent

And imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or it would be, if vladimir998's posts were half as nasty as yours are.

33 posted on 04/18/2006 2:23:56 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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