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To: pahpaw

That is rediculous and more Vatican II liberal propaganda, just like JPII beautifying over 1000 more than all popes added together over 500 Years!

If you or anyone knew anything about church history, martyr goes back close to the year 250 if I am not mistaken, and the term "martyr" was used as a name for bearing witness with ones own blood; with "confessor" given the name to one who bravely survived persecution. "martyrein" or "bear witness" to Christian belief-through being descriminated against, through suffering, torture, and death. This is what among others Bishop Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna did, and woman such as Blandina, Perpetua, and Felicitas also did, as did Justin Martyr.

The Christian was to to endure the ultimate fate of martrdom but not seek it.

To put this man in the same light as these great Catholics, and give him the title of "The Great" and compare him with St Gregory "The Great" and then call him a "martyr" is to much for any REAL Catholic, who knows their faith and history to stomach

He is no martyr , with his posh travel and with his sheep scattered and Bishops gone wild, to even put him in the same breath as those who were really martyrs is more Vatican II fallacy and comic relief


31 posted on 08/26/2005 6:35:38 PM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: BulldogCatholic

This rush to cannonization seems a bit odd. The rule was fifty years after death, then changed to ten, then to five, and then the rule is ignored by our Pope to nearer five weeks. Although sure to rebound, JP's long pontificate oversaw the greatest contraction of the Church in 400 years; in the US the Church is a fraction of its size a few decades ago, South America is turning Protestant, Catholic Ireland is no longer Catholic, and at present trend Europe will be majority Muslim in 25 years. If he were to be patron saint of anything it would be closed Catholic schools and parishes. There seems to be a war between the Traditional and Modern faithful (or maybe just a fistfight). Sorry, it seems a bit odd.


33 posted on 08/26/2005 7:20:57 PM PDT by Daffy
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