Posted on 08/26/2005 12:32:44 PM PDT by Macoraba
My suggestions are --->
One of Poland's patron saints
One of the patron saints of Europe
A patron saint of travellers
A patron saint of athletes
A patron saint of playwriters
A patron saint of linguists and translators
A patron saint of theologians
Patron Saint of Empty Pews.
Patron Saint of Pederasts.
Patron Saint of Closed Churches.
Patron Saint of Liturgical Dance.
Patron Saint of Muslims.
One thing I really like about being Catholic is that I don't have to shut off my brain. Y'know, that whole fides 'n ratio thing.. no conflict.
So, armed with the wits God gave me, when somebody talks about anyone who survived his own martyrdom, I am able to tell it's an impossible contradiction and a fat load of crap.
"Patron Saint of Muslims"
Nonsense! The man had guts! He took them on in their own turf - at Al-Azhar in Cairo and the Great Mosque (formerly a church) in Damascus. He went into the lions' den and came out unscathed! He bore witness of Christ! He reminded me of St Francis before the Sultan!
Nonsense! The man had guts! He took them on in their own turf - at Al-Azhar in Cairo and the Great Mosque (formerly a church) in Damascus. He went into the lions' den and came out unscathed! He bore witness of Christ! He reminded me of St Francis before the Sultan!
If you find and post a picture of St. Francis kissing the sultan's koran, I'll happily retract.
How about patron saint of cults of personality?
John Paul II is NOT a martyr, to suggest such is an INSULT to true martyrs of the faith.
In my opinion John Paul II was a holy person but not a great Pope. The case can be made for acclaimation as a Doctor of the Church but his inattention to and in fact enabling of the decay of both the European and American churches prevents him from being considered for the title of "great". In his latter years he realized his mistakes and began appointing more conservative bishops and trying, without much sucess, in reigning in the liberal bishops. He never would lay down the law on the liberal bishops who ignored his instructions to them.
Patron Saint of Freedom. (Or Oppressed Peoples)
LOL!
I went through the whole thread to see if someone would see this as I do. It took till one from the end (at the time I pulled it up).
Though 'oppressed people' is implied in 'freedom,' I think it would be very approprate to spell this out as you did. That would distinguish this form of freedom from being synonymous with 'license.'
There is no freedom where there is no responsibility.
I always thought Saint Christopher had the Travelers niche wrapped up.
A) He's not a matyr, by no stretch of the imagination can this title be claimed. He died of natural causes.
b) "The Great" is a semi-official title rarely given
c) the beatification process has only just begun.
How about we approach the whole thing with a clear head and some objectivity?
If John Paul II is a saint now, he'll be a saint in 5 years too.
And are you reading up on your church history?
Doctor of the church, martyr, the Great, for what? He would have been a heretic with that picture of him kissing the Koran (A kiss means you accept something in its entirety with adoration, as we do the Gospel).
Before 1962 he would have been excommunicated for an action like that. Shameful!
Bingo-Could not have said it better
A picture is worth a thosand words
Better yet, find a picture of St Pope Pius X
Why do these Vatican II popes have such a fear of this oath and have refused to take it, one and all? Is it because their lawyers (I guess they have the same legal council Bill Clinton had) advised them not to take it? What about the Oath against Modernism that a Saint in Pope Pius X made mandatory?
The Papal Coronation Oath: the vow a pope takes when he is elected:
"I vow:
• To change nothing of the received tradition, and nothing thereof, I have found before me guarded by God-pleasing predecessors, to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein;
• To the contrary: with glowing affection as her truly faithful student and successor, to safeguard reverently the passed on good, with my whole strength and utmost effort;
• To cleanse all that is in contradiction to the canonical order should such appear;
• To guard the Holy Canons and Decrees of our Popes as if they were the divine ordinances of Heaven, because I am conscious of Thee, whose place I take through the Grace of God, whose Vicarship I possess with Thy support, being subject to severest accounting before Thy Divine Tribunal over all that I shall confess.
• If I should undertake to act in anything of contrary sense, or should permit that it will be executed. Thou willst not be merciful to me on the dreadful Day of Divine Justice.
• Accordingly, without exclusion, we subject to severest excommunication anyone - be it ourselves or be it another - who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition, and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture."
Patron Saint of Sodomite Bishops
The real ‘Dynamic Duo’
The world should thank God for giving us these two great men, along with the Lady Thatcher, who brought the end of the Soviet Union.
What proof is there that book was a Qu'ran?
There's a difference. Your aunt is a person, not an object. You kiss people to show love or respect. Catholics kiss objects to venerate them.
Thank you One Truth-I was about to reply-so sad that someone called "Conservative till I die" does not really know the roots of their faith and Apostolic traditions
Ecumenism, and I DONT mean Ecumenism with our Baptised Bretheren as it was ORIGINALLY established for but the Vatican decided, like everything else, to just forget about what it was supposed to mean, and now includes every false faith, and the Jewish people, who I have no issues with, but REJECT Our Lord and Savior.
Go and meet for dinner, all well and good, but to go to a synagogue, where they PRAY for the comming of THEIR Messiah is heretical for a Pope to do, and Our Lord, who chastised the Phrarisies when they were desecrating his Fathers Temple, and kiss the Koran, must be crying in heaven now to see this false ecumenism take place
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