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To: xzins; jude24
I am not supportive of unforgiving intolerence.

And who practices that? I suspect that the MSM creates these stereotypes of unforgiving Christians and then labels them fundamentalists, whereas I really don't think I've met too many of those people. The intolerant churches are the ones who don't like fundamentalists in their ranks. If you believe that homosexual behavior is against God's order, you are labeled an intolerant fundamentalist bigot.

Frankly I consider that a compliment. But frankly who are the separatists? It is the post modern neo-secularist lefties that have caused the division. Not the conservative fundamentalists. All they want to do is to hold fast to their profession of faith without wavering. If that upsets the apple cart, then the apple cart is filled with rotten fruit.

43 posted on 08/21/2005 7:40:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan
I suspect that the MSM creates these stereotypes of unforgiving Christians and then labels them fundamentalists, whereas I really don't think I've met too many of those people.

I have. Heck, I used to be one myself.

If you believe that homosexual behavior is against God's order, you are labeled an intolerant fundamentalist bigot.

That may be. Neo-evangelicals would say that homosexuality is sin, but would emphasize that we should be accepting of homosexuals without condoning their behavior, rather than railing against the Sodomites, as the Fundamentalists do.

It is the post modern neo-secularist lefties that have caused the division. Not the conservative fundamentalists. All they want to do is to hold fast to their profession of faith without wavering.

Look at the Presbyterian splits of the 1930's. Those are considered the key case study in the Fundamentalist-modernist contraversy. The Fundamentalists, when they split the PCUSA, first of all abandoned the denomination to slide deeper and deeper into ruin, and while Westminster Theological Seminary is a good seminary, Princeton was abandoned to the liberals. Fundamentalists backed themselves further and further into an academic ghetto, and only recently have schools like Baylor and Wheaton been able to extricate themselves.

And then there was the Presbyterian split. The Orthodox Presbyterian Church, which split from the PCUSA, itself fragmented to create a second Presbyterian denomination, the Bible Presbyterian Church. This split - over relatively minor issues like premillenialism and prohibition - was so acrimonious that it actually shook Francis Schaeffer's faith and turned him atheist for a brief time period.

Now, I tell this tale of woe, not to dump on the Presbyterians - I am a Bible Presbyterian myself - but to explain where fundamentalism failed - and it's true across denominational boundaries.

44 posted on 08/21/2005 8:29:06 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: P-Marlowe

And who does that?

It's more than the MSM, PM. We've met some here on these pages over the last 6 years who we know are not very welcoming of those different than them. And, yes, I am speaking of those who would otherwise be called "biblical."

There is something to the notion that some have "lost their first love."

There was then, and there is now, the word "pharisee."


45 posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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