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To: RFT1

Agreed.

Worse, a number of Catholics still seem to think that 'Bishop X does [this wrong thing,] therefore the Church [is good/is evil.]

The Church is indefectible. It's those dratted PEOPLE...


115 posted on 08/17/2005 9:31:53 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ninenot

From Vatican I:

"And so We, adhering faithfully to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God, our Savior, the elevation of the Catholic religion and the salvation of Christian peoples, with the approbation of the sacred Council, teach and explain that the dogma has been divinely revealed, that the Roman Pontiff,
1. when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when carrying out the duty of the pastor and teacher of all Christians in accord with his supreme apostolic authority
2. he explains a doctrine of faith or morals
3. to be held by the universal Church,
through the divine assistance promised him in blessed Peter, operates with that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer wished that His church be instructed in defining doctrine on faith and morals; and so such definitions of the Roman Pontiff from himself, but not from the consensus of the Church, are unalterable.
But if anyone presumes to contradict this definition of Ours, which may God forbid: let him be anathema."

The counter-condition to Infallibility is:

"For the Holy Ghost was not promised to the successors of Peter that by His revelation they might disclose new doctrine, but that by His help they might guard sacredly the revelation transmitted through the apostles and the deposit of faith, and might faithfully set it forth."

Therefore:
If the Pope teaches something new, or something never before taught in the Church, like Ecumenism, he is not Infallible.

Infalliblity, Vatican II and the Church since 1960
The Infallible definition of Infallibility has important consequences for Vatican II and everything that has happened in the Church since 1960.

Liturgy is not Infallible for two reasons:

It is not a doctrine of Faith or Morals.
It does not apply to the Universal Church. The Universal Church is divided into Rites, each with their own Liturgy. The Eastern Rites of Ukrainian, Armenian and Maronite are the best known of these other rites.
Because the Liturgy is not Infallible, therefore the New Mass is not Infallible.


Therefore, whe says that the Pope is correct or is to be followed if he is trying to reteach something that has already been defined and taught already as it pertains to faith and morals as the Vatican II Popes have done


121 posted on 08/17/2005 11:19:17 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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