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To: Graves

The Latin Vulgate was the Bible of the Western Church for centuries before the last of the Seven Ecumenical Councils that both Orthodox and Catholic agree are canonical. The objections you are raising about the Vulgate were not raised during the period when Pope Damascus was Pope of East and West, and there was unity. It was not raised as heretical by the Eastern Bishops or Patriarchs when Jerome translated it and Damascus approved it.

The standard Orthodox position is that the Catholic Church split and the Latin Church lapsed into error after the Seventh Ecumenical Council, but before the Seventh Ecumenical Council East and West were united in one Holy Orthodox and Catholic Church.

The Vulgate was part of that, and the East did not object to it as heresy then. Is this a new doctrine of the East, not raised during the time of Orthodox unity, that the Vulgate has BECOME heretical some 300 years AFTER it was accepted as the Latin text by the united Church?

That would be a novel move.

I have no idea which text was translated and paraphrased in Eagle's Wings, but it does not matter. You can read the lyrics and see that there is no heresy contained in it.

None of the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is spelt out in detail in any text of the Bible, and yet one can listen to the words and look at the practices and see that there is nothing heretical about it by its CONTENT.

"You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord,
who abide in His shadow for life:
say to the Lord 'My refuge!
My rock in whom I trust!'

He will raise you up on eagles' wings,
bear you on the breath of dawn,
make you to shine like the sun,
and hold you in the palm of His hand!"

That's the text.
You know it is not heretical by reading it.
Heresy is not hidden, lurking about. It's open and profane and obvious.
Eagle's Wings is not that.
Some people don't like the music.
And whatever disputes there are about the authenticity of any particular version of the Bible are not germane to this particular issue.
You're looking to pick a fight, which is your right, of course, but the accusation of "heresy" stands acquitted on those words I printed, even if they came out of the King James version of the Bible (which they didn't).


283 posted on 07/29/2005 12:45:17 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

"I have no idea which text was translated and paraphrased in Eagle's Wings, but it does not matter. You can read the lyrics and see that there is no heresy contained in it."

I have no beef with the Vulgate but I do with the D-R. Maybe I should have a beef with the Vulgate? I don't know. I can tell you that the LXX is still the only canonical Old Testament for the Orthodox because to this day it's the only Old Testament ever authorized by the Church. Nothing to argue about there.

The LXX Psalter is now available in English. It first came out in 1974. To inquire about it, click on http://www.thehtm.org/


286 posted on 07/29/2005 12:57:28 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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