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To: jrny
Yes, but liturgical minimalism was also way too prevalent in the pre-conciliar years too. If and when the traditional Mass is restored, this matter will have to be rectified as well, because the last thing we need is to "dumb-down" the old Mass too through irreverent, rush-job, non-participatory Masses.

Yes, that is what I have been told, I was still a Protestant pre-teen in 1965. We have a very lovely Novus Ordo Mass at our parish in Detroit, Gregorian Chant, Latin, good polyphany and even very good Catholic Church music written in the 20th and 21st centuries. : ) You are correct that bad execution of the Tridentine Mass is something most definately not to be desired.

275 posted on 07/29/2005 10:46:06 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Diva

"You are correct that bad execution of the Tridentine Mass is something most definately not to be desired."

Would not want to go back to the real deal, to the original? Why settle for just Tridentine? How pallid!


276 posted on 07/29/2005 11:08:26 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Diva

You are a lucky (blessed rather) soul to have a viable Novus Ordo.


"You are correct that bad execution of the Tridentine Mass is something most definately not to be desired."

Unfortunately, this still exists. Here in Baltimore, we (those of my opinion about this at least) have to suffer one of the worst Indult situations available. There are 2 priests who usually say this Mass (one is the pastor and the other is an elderly retired priest). The pastor rushes the Masses terribly. I can read Latin fluently and if I can't keep up with his pace, I know something is off. He berates the laity with subtle and not so subtle "ad hominem" attacks of "traditionalism". He scorns us about not giving money without ever once thinking to place trust in the hands of God. The people don't even sing (not even the short responses like "Amen" and "Et cum spiritu tuo") at High Mass. Terrible! The pastor could care less. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. It's very sad to see the Tridentine reduced to such a state.

Of course, all the Novus Ordo options are even worse. It's a very unfortunate diocese. Liturgical foolishness abounds in Baltimore.

The consolation in all this...we're moving to New Jersey next year and will be able to attend a real, very much alive Tridentine Mass every Sunday (and daily). In fact, this is why we are moving above all other reasons.


279 posted on 07/29/2005 11:35:11 AM PDT by jrny (Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto Decimo Sexto.)
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