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1 posted on 07/27/2005 1:05:42 PM PDT by GF.Regis
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Any churches rebelling against tradition aren't REALLY part of the church anyway, they're rebelling, they're PROTESTING against the Catholic doctrine, that gives a good indication of where they can go.


46 posted on 07/27/2005 2:04:38 PM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: GF.Regis
Can you say 'shibboleth', boys and girls? I knew you could.

Starting the first week in October, a synod of Catholic bishops from around the world will meet in Rome to plot the future of the church under Ratzinger's leadership.

Love that 'plot'. I guess he thinks every bishop meekly toes the line. And it's 'Ratzinger' not Pope Benedict; that speaks volumes.

He still condemns the use of condoms to fight AIDS in Africa.

Bishop Desmond Tutu loves them. No one ever says anything about what he thinks. It's almost as if what the pope says actually matters.

If he's an anachronistic stick-in-the-mud as the article seems to imply: Who cares what he thinks? Unless it actually matters.

49 posted on 07/27/2005 2:09:04 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: GF.Regis; Pyro7480; ninenot; wideawake

This so-called Catholic writer's chamber pot runneth over.


51 posted on 07/27/2005 2:15:52 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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Well, this piece is so negative, it's hard to tell how accurate it is. But if this Pope returns the Latin Mass, gets rid of the horrid felt banners, gets the blue jean wearing "attendants" off the alter, and returns the appearance of the church to the way it should be, I will hang his picture in my home and revere him for all time.


60 posted on 07/27/2005 2:37:31 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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Professor Hanchette

Just the sort of fellow likely to give misleading 'Translations' of phrases from the synod working document. N'est pas?

62 posted on 07/27/2005 2:40:24 PM PDT by siunevada
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Lose the guitars, flutes and drums, boys!

Death to the "folk music" mass!!!!

My parish has at least 40 "musicians" who participate in mass each week................

I guess they're going to have to go back to using their envelopes.....................


65 posted on 07/27/2005 2:45:55 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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This guy gets paid to cherry-pick "disturbing" quotations and put the "creepiest" spin on them?

I guess any journalist with ethics and competence has a hard time competing with the bottom-feeders.

77 posted on 07/27/2005 2:59:59 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: GF.Regis; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
A hefty working text has already been prepared for official consideration

And after consideration, it will probably be left up to the local ordinaries to implement some watered down version of whatever is accepted for use in each country.

Also read in another article that Ratzinger is considering limited decentralization of power. That's good for negotiations with the Orthodox but bad news for catholics under liberal bishops.

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83 posted on 07/27/2005 3:20:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: GF.Regis
John Hanchette, a professor of journalism at St. Bonaventure University...

From their site:
A private, Catholic, coeducational, residential, comprehensive university...

The Journalism professors at John Paul the Great Catholic University will actually be Catholic.

Imagine that!

93 posted on 07/27/2005 3:50:12 PM PDT by It's me
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Good grief!

This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to begin.

This guy must be a screaming lib pseudo-Catholic along the lines of Kerry, Teddy K. and the Liturgical Dance Team.

97 posted on 07/27/2005 4:05:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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will be turned back around to allow the priest to celebrate Mass in relative solitude with his back to the congregation, instead of facing and speaking directly to the faithful as Vatican II decreed.

It did not.

128 posted on 07/27/2005 6:58:08 PM PDT by Diva
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Oh Gosh there is SO much nonesense this fellow spouts, where to begin?


130 posted on 07/27/2005 7:00:26 PM PDT by Diva
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"The intellect," he once told a gathering of about 800 priests, "does not always grant vision, but provides the conditions for intellectual games, and artfully conjures syntheses into existence where there is really nothing but contradiction." Only faith, believes the new pope, will abide.

So, tell me what part of this the 'esteemed' and short-of-faith journalism instructor doesn't comprehend.

It's so obvious, I guess it's unfathomable to someone who has eyes to see, but doesn't see; ears to hear, but doesn't hear; an intellect to comprehend, but doesn't 'get it.'


135 posted on 07/27/2005 7:28:15 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (It translates as "72 raisins of startling white clarity" NOT 72 fair skinned maidens.)
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later read/pingout?


136 posted on 07/27/2005 7:33:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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Lay persons will participate in the Mass only in a "minimal" fashion. Translation: No more reading of Scripture lessons by members of the congregation, or carrying of the wine and water up the aisle to facilitate Holy Communion, or letting the non-ordained help distribute the Eucharist during that sacrament. Priests only, please, just like in the old days

The use of lay lectors, lay eucharistic ministers, etc. was sold to us as "empowering" the laity. Wrong! It denigrated the laity. It suggested that the only way to "be somebody" in the Church was to prance around the altar like a little priest.

The role of the priest is to bring Christ into the world. The role of the laity is to take Christ into the world. We the laity are fulfilling our role when we act in the world to bring Christian principles to bear on business, politics, and and everything else connected with the world.

143 posted on 07/27/2005 8:28:32 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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I just love it when the libs begin to squeal and wet their pants when things begin to straighten up in the Church...


146 posted on 07/27/2005 9:19:51 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: GF.Regis

I read something recently about this pope condemning, nicely,
foi gras. I thought it was very well-said.


191 posted on 07/28/2005 9:59:47 AM PDT by MarMema
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This Pope is trying hopefully to do the JOB he was chosen to do! SAVE SOULS not please the people,and their wims! It is a JOB noone would try to do but him I think today ,with modernism,lack of all virtues(whats that?) ,religious of every kind coming and going,Faith among Catholic twisted due to the Church Changes of Vatican ll,immorality amoung the priests,religious and people must come to a stop somewhere,hopefully BEFORE each SOUL reaches the Judgements of GOD..
Love and Knowledge of GOD and His Laws must come to each person as Christ intended when He Made St. Peter the First Pope and started HIS CHURCH. Africa Needs True Catholism,no know GOD ,to FEAR HELL ,not anything else! Wake Up!
It must all go back to tradition,this Pope has seen the time it was and the times it is..and he knows the JOB.


202 posted on 07/28/2005 11:15:28 AM PDT by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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This Pope is trying hopefully to do the JOB he was chosen to do! SAVE SOULS not please the people,and their wims! It is a JOB noone would try to do but him I think today ,with modernism,lack of all virtues(whats that?) ,religious of every kind coming and going,Faith among Catholic twisted due to the Church Changes of Vatican ll,immorality amoung the priests,religious and people must come to a stop somewhere,hopefully BEFORE each SOUL reaches the Judgements of GOD..
love and Knowledge of GOD and His Laws must come to each person as Christ intended when He Made St. Peter the First Pope and started HIS CHURCH. Africa Needs True Catholism,TO know GOD ,to FEAR HELL ,not anything else! Wake Up!


204 posted on 07/28/2005 11:19:23 AM PDT by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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Translation: A return during celebration of Mass to the Latin liturgy, viewed as confusing mumbo-jumbo by many Catholics before Vatican II, cannot be far behind.

No bias here.
My experience is that the Latin mass was perfectly undestood by most Catholics, and not many, but most were perfectly comfortable with it.

Indeed, its transformation into "more pedestrian" form had a major role is my drifting from the faith, so to speak.

If I wanted hippy ceremony, I would have joined a commune.

235 posted on 07/28/2005 2:07:03 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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