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1 posted on 06/30/2005 6:24:54 PM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 06/30/2005 6:25:25 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || <Airbus A380)^: The BIG PIG)
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I for one would welcome a huge measure of Anglo-Catholic influence in restoring reverence, devotion and beauty to Catholic liturgies, which are often execrable (except for my rather traditionally liturgical-minded parish).


4 posted on 06/30/2005 6:29:09 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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As a result, my longing for a healing of the breach between Rome and orthodox Anglicanism is stronger now than ever.

I would be interested to know how orthodox Anglicans feel about this.

5 posted on 06/30/2005 6:32:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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As a low church Evangelican Anglican, I could never ever "swim the Tiber". Too many Doctrinal differences.... We have two Sacrements, they have seven, We do not believe in Transubstantiation - They do. We don't believe in the Veneration of Mary and the Saints do. We believe that one is Saved by Grace through Faith - They don't. We don't believe in a Pope - They do. The list goes on and on. The traditional Anglican Church has never believed these things. Have you ever read the Thirty Nine Articles?
Have you been an Anglican with an RC waiting to get out?
6 posted on 06/30/2005 6:38:22 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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This article echos many of the things that my Roman Catholic in-laws tell me was lost in their Church since Vatican II. Of course, I'm in no position to comment on the accuracy of those statements, only that I'd have to agree with many of the outside observations made here.


11 posted on 06/30/2005 8:26:38 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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"Unspontaneity is of their essence. In these rites I discover that something is approaching me here that I did not produce myself, that I am entering into something greater than myself, which ultimately derives from divine revelation. This is why the Christian East calls the liturgy the "Divine Liturgy", expressing thereby the liturgy's independence from human control."
-Joseph Ratzinger

Having grown up Catholic, post Vatican II, it always seemed to me that something was missing from the Mass as conducted in my town. The liturgy was downplayed - almost as if it was embarassing. All of the men would stand at the back, near the door, and none of them would ever sing. The teenage girls and the younger women would often walk about in outrageously loud high-heels. Twenty percent of the congregation would process directly from the communion rail to the parking lot, so as not to be caught up in the traffic after the service.

The first time I attended an Anglican Service, everyone sang, and dressed and processed reverently (this was before the pink triangle replaced the cross) and leaving early simply wasn't done. The liturgy was beautiful, and amidst this beauty and reverence, meditation and prayer were wonderful.

I pray that Pope Benedict XVI will inspire the RC Church to reclaim its wonderful liturgy!

12 posted on 06/30/2005 8:34:18 PM PDT by Huber (Conservatism - It's not just for breakfast anymore!)
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Ping!


14 posted on 06/30/2005 10:34:07 PM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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I like Anglo-Catholics but I do have to say it bugs me that these types of articles, well-meaning as they are, tend to take the worst of the worst examples of American Catholic liturgical abuse and apply it to all of Catholicism.

It's a problem, no doubt, but the whole Church is not engulfed by it, and acting as if were so is insulting to the many good parishes and priests out there.


16 posted on 07/01/2005 5:51:24 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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What I find irksome about articles having the general thesis that "the Catholic church is having problems with liturgy and devotional piety" is that they tend to lump all Catholics and parishes together. The article omits mention of the eastern Catholic churches entirely, and tends to lump all Roman Catholic parishes together.

There is an incredible amount of variety that exists within the Catholic church. I've seen Roman Catholic parishes, both TLM and NO, that are both exceptionally devout and have a beautiful liturgy. I've also seen the same in the eastern Catholic churches. While I agree with the author in that Catholics can learn a lot from the high Anglicans, I get the sense that he needs to get out more and see some of the more glaring exceptions to his thesis.


19 posted on 07/01/2005 7:00:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Eastern Catholicism: tonic for the lapsed Catholic)
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