Bishop restores Latin Mass (Phoenix)

East Valley Tribune ^ | 06.21.05 | Lawn Griffiths

[Gerard.P]

Strange question, here's the well, duhhh! answer. In order to consciously participate one would have to know what one is doing and understand the context and what is going on. Unless one is an automaton.

Hah! By that standard....Duhhh! That would include knowing something about the liturgy in order to consciously participate in a discussion about what is or is not appropriate to it. You certainly are no Ann Sullivan when it comes to understanding how people learn. And much less knowledgeable of how one can experience God.

Don't go there. I already addressed reading in a previous post.

You have no idea where I'm going. What does reading have to do with anything? What does reading have to do with the Vestments or the elevation, or incense? It's obvious you are blunderously ignorant about the Traditional Latin Mass. So, I suggest you actually learn something before you try to impose your own sphere of experience on something that you cannot comprehend.

[Gerard.P]

Isn't it amazing how a baby can be fed without knowing the language that its mother speaks?

I'm stunned at that.

Imagine not feeding your child because he or she doesn't exclaim at the age of six months, "Mother, I'm a big peckish and I'd like to dine over a repast of strained peas and maybe some formula for later."

Or a mother saying, "I must learn baby talk in order to properly feed my child."

Unless of course I'm wrong and that "goo-goo gah-gah" language actually has subjects, verbs and objects.

[Petronski]

...never said I wanted to limit to the original practice...

Nor did I. Nor did I mean to imply that.

[Wessex]

"The Society of St. Pius X has been firmly established in Phoenix since 1978, offering Treaditional Latin Masses every day of the week."


Well, it does not count since it is a protestant sect! :o)
My suspicious mind though wonders to what extent the presence of the SSPX has excited this diocesan yearning for the old Mass.

[murphE]

My suspicious mind though wonders...

Great minds think alike ; D, see post #8.

[Zunt Toad]

Ting!

[Zunt Toad]

Dang shame folks got to a-bickerin' on what could of been a real positive thread. Thanks for posting though!

[te lucis]

My suspicious mind though wonders to what extent the presence of the SSPX has excited this diocesan yearning for the old Mass

The presence of the SSPX is the only thing that causes "diocesan yearning" for the True Mass. My guess is that the SSPX is booming in AZ, which hardly surprises me given the current lineup of priests.

[narses]

No, no, no. These people don't get it. The 'smells and bells' (as a self-described internet deacon has denigrated this Mass) are only for those old folks who need to be brought into the Modern Age. The New Mass is all we need.

"The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has assured us bishops that the "traditional Latin Mass" is not to be considered as another rite that the faithful can choose at will. It has been allowed (with permission of the diocesan bishop) to facilitate the return of some to the Roman Catholic Church."

http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6982&highlight=adamec#6982



/sarcasm off/

[vox_freedom]

My suspicious mind though wonders to what extent the presence of the SSPX has excited this diocesan yearning for the old Mass.

Without a doubt, or suspicious minds (humming Elvis here), the success of the SSPX and a notable and famous private chapel in the area influenced the new Bishop to offer what he must view as "an alternative."

[Siobhan]

And now for something completely different.....

"Since St. Anne was from Cornwall, and Jesus spoke Gaelic, the only authentic Mass is in Gaelic...."

(Donning my tinfoil mantilla and grinning from ear to ear..........)

[Pyro7480]

"Since St. Anne was from Cornwall, and Jesus spoke Gaelic, the only authentic Mass is in Gaelic...."

(Donning my tinfoil mantilla and grinning from ear to ear..........)

Hey, I have absolutely no problem with that hypothesis. My paternal grandfather's ancestors (and therefore my ancestors) were from Cornwall. ;-) (I have to admit though, I don't get the joke.)

[Siobhan]

It just comes to mind whenever I stumble on to a thread like this one. And I start to giggle. I can't explain it, but with oft-banned Freepers and their expositions it just seems to fit.

[Siobhan]

One of the great things going on in this Diocese is that Bishop Olmstead is supporting the establishment of a new foundation of Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration. That is always a wonderful sign.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Future church historians will have an interesting time trying to make sense out of the bizarre schizophrenia that overtook many bishops during the postconciliar period who tried to suppress the Latin Mass in direct contradiction with the actual documents of the council. It will be also interesting to investigate which ones were homosexuals and which ones members of anti-Catholic secret societies. Hostility to the Latin Mass is a strange and bizarre obsession for those claiming to be "Catholics."

[kstewskis]

An "ain't that the truth" BUMP

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

I remember efforts actually to thwart the "indult" Masses...gee, by the same diocesan bureaucrats who tried to cover up priest homosexual molestations. Well, well... It was like you were in Stalin's Russia or a Franz Kafka novel. The future church historians will have to face the fact that bishops LIED about the status of the Latin Mass. The same ones who LIED about sex scandals bankrupting the church in America. They will find connections to anti-Catholic secret societies and other unsavoriness. The posconciliar social engineering of Catholicism follows certain familiar patterns. Time to smoke them out.

[kstewskis]

Time to smoke them out.

I know there have been several who have been exposed. The Altoona, PA bishop, the Cleveland bishop, and of course, the infamous Cardinal Phoney Mahony of the L.A. Diocese, to mention a few.

It's getting around those who continue to work to protect them, that will be challenging. I'm all for it.

In the meantime, there is hope. The tide is turning. We in Phoenix used to be under the rule of one of those bishops who LIED to hide homosexual priests, and, contrary to Ecclesia Dei, forbade the Indult.

You know the saying, "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves?" Well, O'Brien did, and we are blessed to have a wonderful, holy Bishop in Thomas Olmstead who replaced him a year and a half ago, and has helped heal many wounds that our diocese suffered.

Including (rightfully so) restoration of the Indult a year ago.

It can only get better.

[Jeff Chandler]

Rev. Alonso Saenz was named pastor, and he also will continue serving St. Augustine Parish in west Phoenix.

I know Fr. Saenz. He is from Mexico, possesses a great intellect, and is a wonderful priest!

The Rev. R. Clements, pastor of St. Mary’s Catholic Parish in Chandler, holds occasional Tridentine Masses and recently conducted a funeral in the Old Rite. "He wore the black vestments and turned his back to the congregation," said parishioner Mary Douglas. "He is very traditional and very devout."

Yes he is.

[saradippity]

The lies;show me a bishop who lies and I will show you a diocese that is rampant with homosexual priests,liturgical abuses,rotten catechetics,barren altars,ugly church buildings and all manner of financial finagling. One can seldom find a Tridentine Mass and there is usually an obvious trending to dedivinize God and "transform" the laity into little jesuses and jesusuettas. They will also be disobedient to the Pope. When you are sure a bishop lies,you will definitely find at least 7 of the 9 characteristics I noted.

You are also right on the secret societies. Almost all of the disaster dioceses are or were headed by bishops vetted and approved by the team of Jadot and Baggio both known members of secret societies. They (the bad bishops) then groomed their own replacements,making John Paul II's job almost impossible. He basically had to comb the world for untainted candidates for the priesthood and hope that with the grace of God,he had enough good men to bring them through the riddled,infiltrated system.

Yep,a lie is the entry into the Culture of Death,it destroys "what is".