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To: Dumb_Ox; sionnsar; Tax-chick

"The logic of political individualism ends up having us treat every other man as an enemy, indeed an alien never to be reconciled with us, who can only be our alliy in a temporary marriages of convenience."

Well, at least in theory and in the Western, post Reformation Enlightenment culture we live in. In the East, this mindset simply isn't there. This is not to say that in Greece, for example, people don't have any understanding of their existance as unique persons or of their God given personal freedom. But this said, in both cultural and spiritual matters, readily evident in village society and the Church, there is definitely a community mentality and a consciousness of interdependence which of course mirrors the Fathers' writings on the nature of the Trinity. Our Western society on the other hand with its "rugged individualism" fosters quite the opposite mindset with obvious effects on the way the West views the Church and lives out the Faith.

"Wouldn't taking literally a description of Jesus as an "individual" recapitulate the old Christological heresies? Arianism comes to mind, immediately, or some other form of subordinationism."

I suppose I never thought of Christ in that way, but now that I do, I think such a line of thinking may necessarily lead to any of a number of Christologic heresies


11 posted on 06/15/2005 9:12:52 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
But this said, in both cultural and spiritual matters, readily evident in village society and the Church, there is definitely a community mentality and a consciousness of interdependence which of course mirrors the Fathers' writings on the nature of the Trinity. Our Western society on the other hand with its "rugged individualism" fosters quite the opposite mindset with obvious effects on the way the West views the Church and lives out the Faith.

I've seen people say Western Europeans are big on interdependence, too, often in connection with praising or deriding their social benefits programs. For what it's worth, I perceived such an interdependent culture during my two weeks in Ireland, most evident in the village parish and the village pub.

Not to downplay theological considerations, but it seems to me that contemporary city life encourages the more alienating tendencies of individualism. My experience of montane American life indicates such spirit is very much alive and well up there, where you can't count on the authorities to cope with great snowfall, a sudden injury, or a big dip in tourists.

13 posted on 06/15/2005 9:25:29 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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