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To: wagglebee; Kolokotronis
I do not know. Some will probably spin off forever... so it may depend on the definition of "you guys."

I will note that the two largest North American Anglican groups are 5 or so years into an 8-year integration cycle -- and one is very Evangelical and the other rather Anglo-Catholic. I will also report hearing that the next two largest groups are "in discussion," though the public (this includes me) is not being apprised of the details. And between these groups you have the vast majority of North American non-ECUSA Anglicanism. What does it matter, in the large picture, if we also have (to take it to extremes) three dozen two-person churches who also claim the name?

Question that pops to mind: Are there not some spinoff "Catholic" churches? Isn't there some French priest who's long been quite on the outs with Rome? And (I'm not sure) aren't there some churches advertising their "Orthodox" brand...?

6 posted on 06/08/2005 6:57:12 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† ||Iran Azadi|| WA Fraud: votes outnumber voters, court sez it's okay!)
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To: sionnsar
As I've said before, I believe that Catholicism is in as much danger as Anglicanism; although hopefully the new Pope is changing that. Vatican II could have destroyed the Catholic Church, and most of the splinter groups were made up of people opposed to Vatican II reforms.

What I see with the Anglican Communion (at least in the US and Canada) is a crisis where it is the Church hierarchy which is moving in a direction that is totally at odds with Christianity as a whole. I know a lot of evangelicals and I used to wonder how their ranks were growing so rapidly, but I am beginning to understand now. In the past decades I think that Catholicism and mainstream Protestantism has moved in the opposite direction of what Christians want. And the only way to correct this is for the traditional denominations to return to traditional values. It seems that the Vatican is doing that and I pray that the Anglicans will also.

7 posted on 06/08/2005 7:08:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: sionnsar

"And (I'm not sure) aren't there some churches advertising their "Orthodox" brand...?"

There are a few groups out there, quite tiny and almost invariably made up of former protestants who have gathered around some vagante defrocked priest or bishop. They usually are called something like "The One Really True Honest to Goodness Orthodox Church of North America (Peoria Synod)" or some such thing. There are a few larger Old Calendar groups only in communion with similar groups who think the Pope is the Beast of the Apocalypse and the EP his right hand man but they are mostly located in Europe and really are fringe groups. All in all, they simply are marginal groups who count for little or nothing.


8 posted on 06/08/2005 7:30:29 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: sionnsar

We had a discussion on a thread some time back trying to see how many "Presbyterian" denominations there were in the US. We ended up with over a dozen, but apart from the liberal mainline group, there are only 3 of traditional belief and significant impact, and two of those are in communion. (They each have approved merger with the other at various points in time, but never at the same time, and a formal merger now looks unlikely. There is a high level of cooperation and coordination.) Since all three non - mainline group allow congregations to move to one of the others with property, there is some reduction in internal conflict.


9 posted on 06/08/2005 9:04:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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