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To: stormyseas

May I suggest you read my posts before your long posts. They go on and on about issues that I already answered.

First, you go on and on about Constantine changing the sabbath to Sunday...I already quoted the Didache, written over 200 years before Constantine, that tells us that Mass was celebrated on Sunday, the Lord's Day. Justine the Martyr 50 years after the Didache says the same. Give it a rest on Constantine. Your sources are ridiculously wrong.

Second, I already told you that the Church Fathers did NOT consider the Deuterocanonicals as "Apocrypha". Only Jerome did. The Church Fathers REPEATEDLY quote from the Deuterocanonicals as if they were Scripture. I just got done doing a study on this very same subject, and I can send you numerous such examples. Writings were classified as "Protocanonical", "Deuterocanonical", and "Apocrypha". It is only Protestants, taking Jerome's lead (who was overly influenced by the Jews and the Hebrew language) who began calling the SEVEN (not eleven) books of the Deuterocanonicals as Apocrypha. I have already explained that the decision was inconsistent.

Answer me. Why do Protestants deny the Old Testament Deuterocanonicals as Scripture, yet accept the Church's decision to include the New Testament Deuterocanonicals, such as James and 2 Peter and Revelation???? Both OT and NT Deuterocanonicals were considered Scripture at Hippo, Rome, and Carthage in the late 300's with no distinction. Yet, 1150 years later, Martin Luther (and you) decide they don't belong...Please.

And finally,

You said "...looking closely at my last post you will see that the apostles through revelation do not note ANY change in the original sabbath (or it would be in scripture!)

Who cares! Everything that ever happened from 5 BC to 100 AD is not listed in Scriptures! It is obvious from Scripture itself, such as the ending of John's Gospel, that not everything that Jesus did was recorded in Scriptures. What makes you think that everything the Apostles did would be in the Bible! The Bible tells the Christian community to hold fast to the traditions given, both ORAL and WRITTEN. BOTH.

What did the Apostles other than Peter and Paul do? Did they just sit around? Extra-Biblical sources tell us they went to preach the Gospel to other nations. Is this in the Bible? NO! So your presumption, again, is false. And the writings of the Didache, and Justin the Martyr already, BEFORE 150 AD, show that SUNDAY was the day of Christian worship. Who gave them the power? God. All of this other stuff about Constantine is a waste of time. Christians were worshipping God on Sunday WAY BEFORE Constantine. Continuing your stance on this issue, despite the clear writings, shows your anti-catholicism.

Regards


133 posted on 06/04/2005 1:32:36 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus
May I suggest you read my posts before your long posts. They go on and on about issues that I already answered.

Somehow you are confused by what I was saying, you thought apparently I was saying something I wasn't...so I summed the whole conversation up so that there would be no more confusion for either of us. Because you came into this thinking I was saying something I wasn't.....anyway that is over. I was just trying to straighten it out. For that I am sorry.


I said to you "...looking closely at my last post you will see that the apostles through revelation do not note ANY change in the original sabbath (or it would be in scripture!) (ME)
(YOU THEN SAID)
Who cares! Everything that ever happened from 5 BC to 100 AD is not listed in Scriptures! It is obvious from Scripture itself, such as the ending of John's Gospel, that not everything that Jesus did was recorded in Scriptures. What makes you think that everything the Apostles did would be in the Bible! The Bible tells the Christian community to hold fast to the traditions given, both ORAL and WRITTEN. BOTH.


Something as serious as a calender change that would change days and years, something that would change a commandment....Keep the sabbath holy. Would have surely been clarified in scripture I do believe, if it in fact were to be changed by divine inspiration. However no where from Matthew-Revelation does it mention it. But I will re-read it.
135 posted on 06/04/2005 1:43:35 PM PDT by stormyseas
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