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You said "...I do not recall anyone saying SOLEY"

I never said you did. I was merely making a statement, not a judgment towards any belief you may hold as a result of reading Apocrypha. Considering the amount of reading material that is available for Catholics, Apocrypha is not exactly high on the list of reliable items. Hence, the name "Apocrypha". I merely said that one should be careful in formulating opinions based on Apocrypha, when the Church already has declared such writings as spurious.

You said "...it bothers me at times when people post before they read properly what is being said"

Ditto. See above.

You said "...after saying they need to ask permission from the church....does the holy spirit and insight from him not count?"

First, I don't need permission from the Church to merely read something. But when the Church declares something as spurious to our beliefs, it is wise to take caution in reading such material. This is how heresy starts, by reading such material and using our own opinions in opposition of revelation on a particular matter.

Second, how do you know what is insight from the Holy Spirit? I can speak to a Baptist and a Lutheran, and both will honestly and sincerely believe that an infant should or should not be baptized. Both claim the Spirit moves them to make such a decision. They both can't be right. One is not being led by the Spirit. How do you know which? If you consider the majority of times when Paul is speaking of the Spirit given to the Church, it is in plural form - in other words, the Spirit is given to the entire Church, not just individuals to decide for themselves what is from God. The Spirit is given more to the community of believers. Even charisms given to individuals are meant to build up the Church as a whole, not for individual advancement per sec.

We are good at self-deception, so it seems a better thing for humans to rely on an infallible authority to tell us exactly what is from God and what is not.

Regards

not a judgment towards any belief you may hold as a result of reading Apocrypha.

A belief I may hold from reading apocrypha....now that's judgement, you are now saying my belief (faith is a better word) comes from reading Apocrypha.

Considering the amount of reading material that is available for Catholics, Apocrypha is not exactly high on the list of reliable items. Hence, the name "Apocrypha"

And this statement means that the reading material you are referring is only available to Catholics? What time do you think we are living in>? Apocrypha, simple means hidden. For this denouncing of it, If I was you I might pray it is not essential to what Yahweh wants us to read. Just because Catholics say it is not important, and say for instance Baptist do, means the Baptist are wrong? Hypothetical question here. All I was merely doing was asking someone else if they have read it and said that it helped...HELPED me. Since you have not read it why do you care if I do? And how do you know? Because someone told you? That is the problem today, people do what others say is o.k. And the record of some of those saying it is ok, (the Church) isn't very enlightening to me at this point. I read my bible and anything else I feel is acceptable in G-d's eyes, I will work my salvation out for myself. After all I will not say to Jesus, it is his fault, so I did not know.
Then you say...................................... when the Church already has declared such writings as spurious................................................... I will not get into this with you because at this rate you wouldn't understand, however have you researched the change of the calender and our sabbath? Well the church said do that too....hmmm...Keep the Sabbath Holy. You do not know how much this calender change has affected the Church today. (this is not meant to offend anyone this change occurred by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, this was a long time ago, however so was the canonization of scripture) I do not have to take one church's word for the fact that it is not important, not even my own. You are acting as though that is all I have read....:) :)

You quoted me saying and I did.... "...it bothers me at times when people post before they read properly what is being said"

Then you didn't read that it took years to canonize scripture in the first place and SOME church's still see them as canonized (Apocrypha) why the church decided to change it was not a choice of mine (meaning I had nothing to do with it). When I said it could take years to canonize if they ever do, I was talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls found in 1947, not the Apocrypha, so you did not read what I wrote. In fact here is what you wrote..............................
"It might take some years to canonize them (Apocrypha)".................................... When I wasn't talking about the Apocrypha but the scrolls, the Apocrypha is still considered canonized by some.............and they have already been canonized at one time....lol................................................
Then you stated.......................................
Using the Hebrew canon as their guide is unimpressive, as the same Hebrew canon specifically DELETES the GOSPEL writings of the Christians, calling them worthless. Those who use the Hebrew canon as their guide should thus be consistent and remove the Gospels from their own canon.
Oh my I would be so careful if I were you and pray that it is not useless. I can not believe you would call those writings useless.... Impressive??? I thought that was why you started pestering me without first reading what I was truly saying. To impress....:)
But when the Church declares something as spurious to our beliefs, it is wise to take caution in reading such material. This is how heresy starts, by reading such material and using our own opinions in opposition of revelation on a particular matter...........................
You must remember there are more church's than yours, and your's has admitted to quite a few errors in the past, I will not get into this, because all church's have. You said they will never canonize them? I bet you never thought a pope would claim the Jews are theologically correct in their beliefs either did you? The church is changing for the better in all ways. Apparently you didn't see that post. However, these changes could mean anything, you never know. Why don't you read back to Constantine and see how he manipulated the "church" from the very beginning. So not only should we listen to the church, but we should ask, especially if this decision was made 800 years ago......because one or two bad guys got in the mix...when the "church" began and changed things that we are just finding today. Search for yourself. This was about me asking someone else if they had read it....not about whether you agree or not.....to be honest.............................
Here you go again and after this please go write to someone who has time for this..........(this is what you asked me) Second, how do you know what is insight from the Holy Spirit?
I didn't say that either in fact I said..................
I suggest to each their own, pray for guidance and let the Holy Spirit guide you to truth.

Meaning you work your salvation out and I will work mine out. I am responsible for me....me knowing the truth and I will test everything. I will not just take someone, anyone else's word for it. Thus far from all denominations (it being the time it is) we are finding out how much has been changed, even our very scripture..........................

Then you said to me........................................
Even charisms given to individuals are meant to build up the Church as a whole, not for individual advancement per sec.

Ok exactly.... I was asking someone else if the had read it and it helped....helped me. So how is this not trying to build someone up? You are not going to say, that because you say they are useless...that they are sinful also, or they can not help to edify? I read my Bible......A lot.....and study and research all different translations....so I will be comfortable with my walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. So let us agree to disagree that you think the topic of conversation I was having with someone else was useless...for you maybe. I don't even care that you change what I say around to what ever you think I said...:) It was kind of fun chatting with ya....take care....and Blessings.