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To: TrailofTears; P-Marlowe; xzins
There are well-reasoned, well-thought out, legitimiate objections to Calvinism. Yours, however, are nothing more than the strawman all-too-commonly attributed by those who think they are what Calvinists believe.

Maybe you should ask more questions, and make fewer assertions about the eeeeevils of Calvinism. You might learn something.

42 posted on 05/21/2005 1:57:18 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: jude24; TrailofTears; xzins
There are apparently levels of what predetermination and predestination means. There is the position that God knows the future and thus everything is predestined simply because he knows what is going to happen. There is the position that God knows the future because he exists outside of time and the future is the present to him. There is the position that God knows the future because he has declared exactly how it will be down to the finest detail including not only our salvation but our sins. There is the position that God knows the future and that he has ordered some events to occur and that he knows how all other events will occur. I'm sure there are others. But on the one side you have those who believe that God knows the future but does not do anything at all to interfere with it and on the other side there are those who believe that God knows the future only because everything that is going to happen is going to happen exactly as he has commanded and determined.

What position do you take?

46 posted on 05/21/2005 2:12:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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