Religious Leaders Agree on Role of Mary

Associated Press (via The Guardian) ^ | 5/17/05 | Gene Johnson

[mike182d]

If the Holy Spirit moved Peter to write this about the Scripture of the Old Testament why would the New Testament not be equally inspired and held with the same reverance?

That's a very good question. A Catholic could respond by saying that the New Testament should be considered equally inspired and held with the same reverence because those in authority, who are successors to within the Church compiled it and told the faithful that it is.

The is no Biblical answer to that question. One must appeal to a source outside of the New Testament to explain why is should deserve the same reverence as the Old Testament. After all, Jesus never instructed the Apostles to write down an account of His life, did He?

[conservonator]

After all this you see the light.The Holy Spirit guides people not Churches.A church is only guided by the Holy Spirit as it reflects the Holy Spirit inspired Grace of the Christians in the body.

The Church is administered to by people, that's the way He set it up. There is one Church ordained by God and it is that Church which by His influence on those chosen to lead is free of error in regards to the faith. That is the light because it is of God.

[Blessed]

>Christ's bride, the Church, is not seperate from the people. They are one in the same. You are attempting to perpetuate a false dichotomy.<

Not I. I suggest you research the beginning of this short discussion.It began with an eronious claim by an RC.

[Blessed]

>After all, Jesus never instructed the Apostles to write down an account of His life, did He?<

I guess not if you don't believe the Holy spirit is expressing Jesus's will.Do you want to go there?

[Blessed]

>The Church is administered to by people, that's the way He set it up. There is one Church ordained by God and it is that Church which by His influence on those chosen to lead is free of error in regards to the faith. That is the light because it is of God.,

Do you honestly believe the Lord of the Universe is as concerned with "The Church" as he is the relationship individuals have with him?I wonder sometimes if the energy spent by Roman Catholics defending the "one true church" would not be better spent telling their members and others about Jesus Christ and the hope he offers.When judgement day comes will you tell Jesus you belong in Heaven because you were a cradle catholic?

[conservonator]

Do you honestly believe the Lord of the Universe is as concerned with "The Church" as he is the relationship individuals have with him?

Yes, of course I believe that He is intimately concerned with His Church, He created it so that we may know Him. He, in His wisdom and love gave us The Church for a reason, your understanding or belief not with standing.

I wonder sometimes if the energy spent by Roman Catholics defending the "one true church" would not be better spent telling their members and others about Jesus Christ and the hope he offers.

Did it ever occur to you that we have to spend so much time defending the Church because you spend so much time attacking Her? And let's face reality, a knowledgeable Catholic has a far greater understanding of Christ and His revelation than any child of the reformation can have simply because you have limited your selves to the ridiculous, unbiblical notion of sola scriptura.

When judgement day comes will you tell Jesus you belong in Heaven because you were a cradle catholic?

No, I'll fall to my face and beg forgiveness for my sins and implore His mercy because I fear His judgment.

[Blessed]

> And let's face reality, a knowledgeable Catholic has a far greater understanding of Christ and His revelation than any child of the reformation can have simply because you have limited your selves to the ridiculous, unbiblical notion of sola scriptura.<

You again show the problem with so much focus on "the church".The understanding of Christ comes to those who know him through the Holy spirit.
Jhn 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

You can attend the Roman Catholic church everyday of your life and obey all the God and the Churches commandments but as Jesus said:

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

[conservonator]

I think you're missing the point; we will not be saved because we are members of the Catholic Church, we will be saved, if we are saved, because the Church, as appointed by Christ, guided us on the right path by preserving the fullness of faith, that we could know the truth and not hope our own personal interpretation is the right one.

It's your soul, feel free to gamble on your anti-Scriptural beliefs.

[theFIRMbss]

>Even though I disagree with what you are saying I like how you have put all your replies in the form of Haiku

[theFIRMbss]

>Hey, like I said, if you have a problem with it, take it with the first several hundred years of Christians, not me. I'm not making this stuff up, but following in line . . .

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Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them, "Who do the crowds say I am?"

They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life."

"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

Peter answered, "The Christ of God."

Luke 9:18-21
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The masses always
get the important stuff wrong.
That's why God has sent

the Holy Spirit
to us. Don't "follow in line."
Pray to the Spirit.

Where would Peter be
if he had "followed in line"
either with the crowds

or with "established"
religion of his era?
God said to Peter:

  "Who do you say I am?"

[mike182d]

the Holy Spirit to us. Don't "follow in line." Pray to the Spirit.

I don't care what "religion" you are, there is always an infallible interpreter of the Word of God: 1) the successor to Peter appointed by Christ to lead the Church or 2) yourself.

Who is infallible in your religion? Because, in essence, if you think that any sort of meaningful relationship can be had by just you and the Holy Spirit, void of any "institution," you are your own Church.

Sounds a lot like the foundation of relativism, doesn't it?

Furthermore, what does Christ say to Simon immediately following that passage? Jesus renames him Peter and gives him the keys to the kingdom of heaven. The question "who do you say I am?" was not just a generic question that we can all determine on our own, but rather a pointed question at the man who would become the leader of Christ's Church here on earth.

He was testing the future Pope.

[Conservative til I die]

I guess not if you don't believe the Holy spirit is expressing Jesus's will.Do you want to go there?

[Conservative til I die]

Do you honestly believe the Lord of the Universe is as concerned with "The Church" as he is the relationship individuals have with him?I wonder sometimes if the energy spent by Roman Catholics defending the "one true church" would not be better spent telling their members and others about Jesus Christ and the hope he offers.

We do plenty of this. If you, like most Protestants had ever set foot in one of our Churches and listened tour Mass, instead of just reading about our beliefs on polemical websites, you'd understamd that.