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To: Between the Lines; reformedcrat; thePilgrim
Everyone on this thread understands that civil disobedience is allowed for the two given reasons. What I and connectthedots doubt, is that the Bible strictly forbids it for other reasons as well.

I thought that was blatantly obvious. Camp should have at least included circumstances when the government abuses the rights of other citizens as an example when christians xhould get involved, even more so than if we are the victims. I could come up with many more examples.

Camp seems to be in the camp of Cal Thomas and MacArthur, who believe that Christians should not atempt to change the world by getting involved in 'causes'. This is one reason I have very little regard for MacArthur or Cal Thomas.

An excellent book about getting involved is "Why You Can't Stay Silent" by Tom Minnery of Focus on the Family. An older and much better known book is Chuck Colson's "Kingdoms in Conflict".

26 posted on 05/16/2005 1:07:43 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots

***Camp should have at least included circumstances when the government abuses the rights of other citizens as an example when christians xhould get involved, even more so than if we are the victims. I could come up with many more examples.***

I believe that Steve Camp addressed this VERY issue in his article. Perhaps you need to cite a specific example or reread the article.

***Camp seems to be in the camp of Cal Thomas and MacArthur, who believe that Christians should not atempt to change the world by getting involved in 'causes'. This is one reason I have very little regard for MacArthur or Cal Thomas.***

Actually, I believe that MacArthur's positions is that the world should be changed by the preaching of the gospel and the converting of people to Christ. I'm not sure why you would have very little regard for people who have that belief.

But, as to your direct statement about changing the world, i.e. people, by getting involved in causes, I am not taking any side on the issue of political involvement, but merely asking this very interesting question (also asked in the article): “how do you expect [people] to live apart from regeneration in Christ?”


27 posted on 05/16/2005 1:24:28 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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