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To: Between the Lines; reformedcrat; ksen; connectthedots

***Everyone on this thread understands that civil disobedience is allowed for the two given reasons. What I and connectthedots doubt, is that the Bible strictly forbids it for other reasons as well.***

Look, I have neither agreed nor disagreed with you for the simple fact that you are asking me to exhaustively eliminate every single instance of Civil Disobedience by Biblical example.

It would be far easier if either you or dots would simply provide an example of Civil Disobedience which you think the Bible would not forbid. Obviously, you seem to disagree with Steve Camps statement, so it would be nice if you would actually proved some examples of things you seem to think would show his statement to be false.


21 posted on 05/16/2005 12:09:10 PM PDT by thePilgrim
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To: thePilgrim
Look, I have neither agreed nor disagreed with you for the simple fact that you are asking me to exhaustively eliminate every single instance of Civil Disobedience by Biblical example.

I never said that you agreed or disagreed nor did I ask you to do any biblical research.

My post #11 questioned why Steve Camp would not give biblical references.

In your reply to my comment (post #13) you asked, How is it that you need to have a chapter and verse for what is so foundational to what it means to belong to the Lord?

And in my reply (post #18) I expounded on my reason for biblical references.

I think your confusion may have come because you are replying to my last post which I had made to someone other than yourself.

24 posted on 05/16/2005 12:47:43 PM PDT by Between the Lines (We are enabled to see the Lord at work if our eyes and our hearts are open." - George W. Bush)
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To: thePilgrim; connectthedots
Obviously, you seem to disagree with Steve Camps statement, so it would be nice if you would actually proved some examples of things you seem to think would show his statement to be false.

You seem to have made my point for me. Had Camps actually given biblical references there would be no need to doubt what he said. Since I made no claim on what is and is not biblical the burden of proof is not mine, but instead it is Camps', who did claim that his statement was covered by strict biblical circumstances.

I think it was the term "allowed Biblically under two strict circumstances" and no biblical reference that threw up red flags on my end. Any "strict circumstances" should easily be referenced. Yet, in the many passages throughout the article, none supports this statement. I wonder why?

To his circumstances for civil disobedience, I can easily add another.
3.) When the government endangers innocent lives.
Like when the Magi ignored Herod's command and did not disclose where they found the baby Jesus. And Joseph and Mary when they fled to Egypt with the infant Jesus instead of giving him over to be killed as Herod had commanded.

For a man who makes money lecturing admonitions of others for anything less than perfect Sola Scriptura, Mr. Camps should examine every jot and tittle of his own works or at least pull the plank out of his eye.

28 posted on 05/16/2005 1:30:57 PM PDT by Between the Lines (We are enabled to see the Lord at work if our eyes and our hearts are open." - George W. Bush)
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