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To: thePilgrim
Thanks for the reply and for the interesting discussion...


*** It means that man's many good works, even though in accord with God's commands, are not well pleasing to God when weighed against His ultimate criteria and standard of perfection.***

How does one reconcile that with the example of Cornelius...?


"About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say to him, "Cornelius." And he stared at him in terror and said, "What is it, Lord?" And he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God."
21 posted on 04/17/2005 5:25:45 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Colin MacTavish; elkclan; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; scottro; k2blader; GLENNS
Generally, I'm in complete agreement with the author.

But I've always found puzzling those portions of the Gospel where Jesus praises people for their virtue, i.e. the widow with the mite, the centurion with faith, etc.

It seems that some pre-regeneration action can elicit the praise of God. That seems to be somewhat at odds with the harsher statements of total-depravity that I've heard or even verses like "all our righteousness is as filthy rags" etc.

Thoughts?
Let me start by saying that I don't think that all the righteousness of those who have been regenerated are filthy rags.  In fact, I stand with my fellow Calvinist Baptist brother John Piper on this one:
It's true--gloriously true--that none of God's people, before or after the cross, would be accepted by an immaculately holy God if the perfect righteousness of Christ were not imputed to us (Romans 5:19; 1 Cor 1:30; 2 Cor 5:21).  But that does not mean that God does not produce in those "justified" people (before and after the cross) and experiential righteousness that is not "filthy rags."  In fact, he does; and this righteousness is precious to God and is required, not as the ground of our justification (which is the righteousness of Christ only), but as an evidence of our being truly justified children of God.
 
(The Purifying Power of Living by Faith in... FUTURE GRACE by John Piper  pg, 151)
Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth are describe in this way:  "They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord" (Luke 1:6).  Their righteousness was not filthy rags.  And, it wasn't ONLY the alien righteousness of Christ.
 
Please note that we Reformed believe that our justification before God which merits salvation is only the alien (imputed) righteousness of Christ.  Zacharias and Elizabeth lived lives of habitual obedience and faith to God, but their obedience does not merit salvation.  It only takes one sin to separate man eternally from God.  Next to the Divine standard our works truly are as filthy rags which cannot merit any kind of salvation.  However, that doesn't mean that God is not pleased with the obedience of his children.
 
I believe that the same can be said about Cornelius.  It is merely a presumption that he was not already regenerated before his prayer to God.  You need to know that I think that, historically, Reformers have used the terms regeneration and conversion differently than they may be used today.  Therefore, using an older meaning the terms, I believe Cornelius to have been regenerated but not converted to the Lord.  I also do not think this the norm for the way God brings his children into right relationship with him, but that the Lord was pleased by this to demonstrate to the Apostles that "God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life."
 
Now, as to what I believe, and I am not alone in this belief, the true interpretation of Isaiah 64:6 and the filthy garment verse you cite is that this is speaking about hypocritical righteousness.
In the context Isaiah 64:6 does not mean that all righteousness performed by God's people is unacceptable to God.  Isaiah is referring to people whose righteousness is in fact hypocritical.  It is no longer righteousness.  But, in the verse just before this Isaiah says that God approvingly meets "him who rejoices in doing righteousness" (v , 5).
 
(The Purifying Power of Living by Faith in... FUTURE GRACE by John Piper  pg, 406)
And, here is Charles H. Spurgeon on the same verse (it is rather long, but extremely good)

A SIGHT OF SELF.

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”- Isaiah 64:6, 7, 8.

IT is easy to commit sin, but hard to confess it. Man will transgress without a tempter; but even when urged by the most earnest pleader, he will not acknowledge his guilt. If we could but bring men into such a state of heart that they felt themselves to be guilty, there would be hope for them; but this is one of the most hopeless signs concerning our race, that it is so hardened and so perverse, that even when sin stares it in the face, it still pleads innocence, and proudly lifts up its head and challenges the accuser. Transgressors always seek to escape from the painful and humiliating duty of acknowledging their offenses. Some seek to hide it both from themselves and others, silencing their own conscience, and throwing dust in the eyes of their companions; like Achan, digging in the earth to hide the Babylonish garment and the wedge of gold, they forget that their sin will surely find them out. As the foolish ostrich, when pursued by the hunters, buries its head in the sand, and when it cannot see its enemy, thinks it has escaped; so these men take the fact that they are undiscovered by men, and are at peace with themselves, as a good omen, whereas it is a sad sign of hardness and blindness of heart. Many pursue another course, and make excuses for their offenses. They did do wrong, it is true, but then there is much to be said in extenuation; like Aaron, they urge the clamours of the people, or they will have it that even Providence itself compelled them to sin. “I cast gold into the fire, and there came out this calf,” as if sin were an accident, and not a wilful wickedness; as if disobedience to God were a sort of necessity of nature, and not a direct rebellion of the will against the Majesty of heaven. Others, too, will throw their sin on their fellows-a trick which they learned of our first parents, for Adam, in the garden, said- “The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat;” or they may have learned it of our mother Eve, for even she understood this stratagem- “The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.” So they will have it that they were dragged into sin by force; that they were over-persuaded or craftily enticed, so that they ought not to be considered as accomplices in the crime-that they are, in fact, only the instruments of others’ sins, and could hardly resist, so that others must take the whole of the guilt, and they themselves go scot free. Some who have attained to a higher pitch of brazen impudence, will actually deny altogether that they have sinned; will come before God’s servant as Ananias did before Peter, and say, “Yea, for so much,” while yet they are holding a lie in their right hand. We have some who will stoutly say, “We have not sinned,” and who think themselves insulted if in plain terms you accuse them of having violated the law of God. There are some also, and those not a few, who endeavor to color their sins, and to cloak them with a profession of godliness, by attending to the ceremonies of religion with ostentatious carefulness. Like the Pharisees of old, they devour widows’ houses, but they make long prayers. They hate Christ in their hearts, but they tithe mint, and anise, and cummin; they violate the precepts of the law, but they bind it on their foreheads, wear long fringes on their garments, and write texts of Scripture on the door-posts of their houses. These serve at the altar of the devil, in the garb of God’s priests, and offer unclean flesh upon the high places, in pretended honor of the God of Israel. We know that all these classes abound everywhere, for a man will do anything to hide sin from himself; and he will give skin for skin, yea, all that he hath that he may be self-justified, that he may have somewhat to answer when he stands before the Most High, that he may find food for his pride, and a coverlet for the infamous arrogance of his heart. He will dig, and labor, and strive, give his goods to the poor, and his body to be burned, that he may win a righteousness of his own. Beloved, if you and I have ever been partakers of the grace of God, we have been brought to the distasteful duty of confession of sin, for it is not possible that we have been pardoned if we have refused to acknowledge our guilt. We cannot be partakers of the life of God in the soul if still we can say, “Lord, I am righteous, and of myself I can plead exemption from thy curse.” A clear sense of our lost estate is absolutely necessary to make us even seek for pardon. As the man who thinks himself in good health will never send for a physician, as the man who is sufficiently warm will not avail himself of an extra garment which is proffered to him, as the man who is not hungry will not accept an invitation to a feast of charity, so we find that none will come to Christ but those who feel that they must come, and that out of him they are utterly lost, ruined, and undone. Moreover, as none will seek the mercy till they know their need, so we may rest assured that none would value that mercy even if it were given to them before the spiritual poverty had become manifest. What is medicine to the healthy man? Send it to his door, and what thanks will you receive? You have been guilty of an impertinence. Why offer charity to the man who is rich and increased in goods? Will he receive your dole? Will he not turn up his heel and tell you to find out the beggar in the street, but not to mistake him for one who needs your alms? Even, I say, should God give salvation to those who feel no need of it, they would not value the priceless boon. This diamond of God would be to them but a piece of valueless broken glass; this gem from heaven but as a pebble from the brook.

“What comfort can a Savior bring
To those who never felt their woe?
A sinner is a sacred thing;
The Holy Ghost has made him so.”
 
It is certain that God will never give pardon to those who do not confess their need of it, for it is not consistent with the sovereignty and dignity of God that he should present pardon to the man who will not first honor God’s law by pleading that he is guilty. If a man shall still say, “I have not broken the law,” is God unmerciful if he refuse to forgive him? Dost thou harden thy brow like iron, and thy heart as adamant, and wilt thou accuse God of want of love, if he say, “I will send no mercy to that man, neither shall he find pardon at my hands, ‘but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word?’” Is it any wonder, I ask you, that he should pass by the proud and the self-righteous and leave them unblest? By their own profession they do not want his mercy; they declare they do not need to be forgiven. Then perish! Perish! for ye righteously deserve it. Go down to the hell which ye have chosen by your pride, and reap the fruits of your own wilfulness, but impugn not the tenderness of God, if he adhere to this inviolable rule, that if we will not confess our sins we shall perish in our guilt;
 
“For Christ as soon would abdicate his own,
As stoop from heaven to sell the proud a throne.”


In the service of the Lord,
Christian.
25 posted on 04/17/2005 6:47:54 PM PDT by thePilgrim (knit mine heart vnto Thee, that I may feare thy Name.)
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