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To: jkl1122
Either it is faith or works.. you can not point to the law as being unable to save and then point to your favorite law and say that saves.

Let me ask you , in the COC if one is drawn by the Father to repentance and belief and he gets hit by a car and dies before he is baptized IN YOUR CHURCH does that man go to hell?

Back to rightly dividing the word of God my friend. The book of James teaches about how the world sees us and believes our testimony . It is written to the saved, (the church) it is not a teaching on how to be saved, but on how a saved man lives .To whom is it addressed?

Jam 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

It is addressed to the saved.Jam 1:3 Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James tells us how to live in the world as a testimony

Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Who are we to be showing? God who knows the heart? NO God knows.. this letter is about our testimony to the world how the world sees our Justification .

The example of Abraham is clear to the jewish audience.. Abraham was justified by his faith

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

The obedience of Abraham to offer His son was a Testimony to Abraham himself and to his son and to the men with him that he had a living Faith . He was justified in the sight of men by that act. God KNEW that Abraham would be obedient, God was not surprised. This test was to prove to Abraham and his seed and the people that would come after Him that men are justified by faith .

Abraham believed the promise of God for the nations coming out of his loins, so in faith he trusted God when he put his son on that altar.. this was all about faith and the testimony of it to the world.. His obedience and his works came from his faith .

That is the same as Baptism, Baptism is a testimony to the world of Gods work in us and our faith in him. It is a sign of our salvation

198 posted on 04/06/2005 10:25:06 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I do not appreciate what I perceive as a condescending attitude towards what I am saying. The constant references to "your church" and constantly asking the same types of questions, after I have already answered them, is getting old. If you have something new to ask, and wish to do so with a more understanding attitude, then I am open to discussion.

I am a Christian, saved by God's grace through my faith in Jesus Christ. Is is because of that faith that I have done what God has commanded me to do: repented of my sins, confessed Christ as the Son of God, and I have been baptized for the remission of sins. At the point I was baptized, I "put on Christ"(Galatians 3:27). I do not teach that salvation is earned in any way. I teach that the faith of the Bible is an obedient faith and I stand by that. I praise God for his willingness to call me His son.

God Bless.
199 posted on 04/06/2005 10:34:26 AM PDT by jkl1122
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