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To: Mark in the Old South
Then why oh why, do Catholics feel the need to speak to a Priest to repent for their sins. How many Hail Mary's do I need to say for this post if it is so incorrect. I never said there wasn't corruption in all churches, but it seems most predominant in the Catholic organization. As far as th eunuchs go, find me the exact verse in the bible and I'll stand corrected.
33 posted on 03/15/2005 1:29:56 PM PST by ComplexUnion182
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To: ComplexUnion182

Then why oh why, do Catholics feel the need to speak to a Priest to repent for their sins.

Try the Gospel of St. John, Ch. 20..."Receive the Holy Spirit: Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven them: Whose sins you retain, they are retained."

That being said, this posting has now gone completely off subject thanks to you. Try starting another post of Catholic bashing instead of diverting this one. I for one don't appreciate the fact that you have single-handedly knocked the topic here off course.


39 posted on 03/15/2005 1:36:03 PM PST by jrny (Tenete traditionem quam tradidi vobis)
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To: ComplexUnion182
And behold a leper came and adored him, saying: Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus stretching forth his hand, touched him, saying: I will, be thou made clean. And forthwith his leprosy was cleansed. And Jesus saith to him: See thou tell no man: but go, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift which Moses commanded for a testimony unto them. -Matthew 8: 2-4

Why did Jesus command the healed leper to see the priest? Jesus had healed him, due to his faith. If you apply your point of view to this situation, the leper didn't need to see the priest.

41 posted on 03/15/2005 1:38:49 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: ComplexUnion182
Then why oh why, do Catholics feel the need to speak to a Priest to repent for their sins.

John 20:21-23 (KJV)
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

I think this teaching must have died out with the Apostles?

42 posted on 03/15/2005 1:39:11 PM PST by american colleen
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To: ComplexUnion182
Re: "As far as th eunuchs go, find me the exact verse in the bible and I'll stand corrected."

Ask and you shall receive

Matthew 19:12
12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.

You sir stand corrected. The above is the Catholic Doughy-Rheims but it is in the King James Bible as well.

Re: "I never said there wasn't corruption in all churches, but it seems most predominant in the Catholic organization."

In the United States the Episcopalian Church has less than 3 million members while the Roman Catholic Church is over 60 million. The Southern Baptist is the largest Protestant denomination with only 10 million. A matter of scale can be misleading. My fellow Catholics sometimes bristle at the coverage Big Media gives to the Church. In part I agree with them Big Media has it out for the RCC but to some degree a little more coverage is to be expected due to the size of the Church next to any other flavor of Christianity. The Church also has a higher standard to live up to as well. Right now the fight in the Catholic Church is to be expected. I believe it was predicted in the Bible because the Catholic Church is the one that matters. The Protestant Churches were predicted as well but they are the rebellion of Core (or Korah if you prefer).

Re: "Then why oh why, do Catholics feel the need to speak to a Priest to repent for their sins."

Christ instituted the Holy Sacrament of Penance (AKA Confession) Read what Christ said during the Last Supper. The whole foot washing section has real relevance to Confession. Also when he talked about bounds released on earth will be released in heaven and bounds retained on earth will be retained in heaven. We are all bound by the slavery of sin. We are released with baptism but get rebound with our inability to resist sin. Confession refreshes our soul. By the way a confession not accompanied by a contrite heart and without a intention to resist sin is not effective, per Church teaching. The notion the saying of a few prayers is what cleans of of our sins is a common Protestant misunderstanding of Catholic teaching.
51 posted on 03/15/2005 1:59:36 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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