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To: Rocketman
Not that anything you are saying has any more merit than the Jack Chick stuff, but is it fair to say that you are taking the word of the likes of Jack Chick over the Word of Jesus Christ?

BTW, Constantine was eventually a Christian but not a Catholic. He was not baptized until he was on his deathbed and then by a heretic priest whom Constantine kept handy for the occasion. The apparent theory was that he could live like a pagan so long as he died baptized. If you have been baptized, you are probably not imagining yourself Catholic. Neither was Constantine.

88 posted on 03/07/2005 2:00:01 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
I agree my words are only words. I am not purposrting myself as anyone and not trying to make myself out as an authority.

I think its a bit of a stretch to say that posting jack Chick is taking his word over the words that christ said in the Gospels.

Constantine in my mind was a evil man and not a Christian. Christian meaning Christ-like. I have read he executed 3000 christians for differing beleifs See I was born a Lutheran and I have read luther's writings where he boasts of horrible corrupt things luther in someways is comparrible to Saddam he boasts of killing 100,000 and the lutherans has theri own inquisition that in a single city this guy that boasted he read the bible cover to cover 365 times killed 20,000 heretics -- see now I only ran into this stuff for the first time about four months ago and if you look back some post on Luther you will see me comment on it and post stuff and the FR Lutherans said its fake it made up by our enemies but He wrote these things and its recorded in secular records that they had control of.

On the issue of the Church I see Aa physical natural church in the bible and I see a spiritual church not made with hands and as cited on another post in the writings of Origen he cites the same and I dentifies he and all in the church of his day as part of the natural earthly church and he lets it be known they do not know the way any more in his day to become part of the spiritual church on earth,

110 posted on 03/07/2005 3:28:55 PM PST by Rocketman
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To: BlackElk; Rocketman
Constantine called the council of Nicia not to "stone the true Christians" but because he was getting tired of the constant bickering going on. His main interest was in providing a means to unify the Empire by religion, and that is why he baned Arians for a time.

Constantine's true views were probably not that good. He did get baptized on his death bed (which was a common, but discouraged, practice for the time.)
162 posted on 03/08/2005 1:07:09 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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