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To: ultima ratio

All of these things you are talking about would have taken years to occur, after promulgation of Vatican II. Instead, you are saying that events which were already in full swing by the START of the council were caused by RESULTS of the council. Not possible.

>> My point was the higher reception of gays into the priesthood,... the teaching of a liberalized moral theology in the seminaries that implicitly affirmed deviant sexuality,<<

Most of the pedophile priests had long exited seminaries by 1962. Only a tiny portion of the cases were committed by priests who went through post-concillar seminaries.

>>the cronyism of the bishops themselves<<

This is undeniably a part of the problem.


87 posted on 03/07/2005 1:58:44 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

The National Review Board shows a spike in sex abuse cases after Vatican II. The fact that most of these priests may have been ordained before the Council is not particularly relevant. It was the relaxed moral climate that the New Church introduced that created the debacle.

John Goeghan not only was allowed to become a well-known activist for NAMBLA in the postconciliar atmosphere, for instance, but he was not in any way punished for having abused around 130 boys. Instead, Cardinal Law gave him glowing letters of recommendation--though his dossier included the rape of a four-year-old and countless other atrocities. In 1995, knowing full well the monstrousness of this man's character, Cardinal Law wrote, "Yours has been an effective life of ministry, sadly impaired by illness." Yet Geoghan alone cost the archdiocese 10 million dollars--and that was just the tip of the iceberg. Two-thirds of all bishops for over three decades covered up the most incredible injustices and crimes. In the face of all this, the Pope defended the bishops. It is telling that he refused Law's resignation when it was first offered--and Law went on to try to face his critics down. Finally he resigned--and was given a comfortable sinecure by the Pope. So much for discipline in the New Church.

How can you not say the Council was not responsible for this? Nothing like it had ever happened before in the preconciliar Church. Sure there were scandals--but mostly of priests running off with women or hitting the bottle. The ratio of straights to gays was nowhere as bad as it is now--and most of the homosexuality was kept under tight wraps. After the Council it was assertive and blatant and open--with predictable results. The scandals increased exponentially.



119 posted on 03/07/2005 6:37:43 PM PST by ultima ratio
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