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To: seamole
Burke is given way too much credit for being holy and reverent in his actions. Did anyone ever think it was just an act, theatrics for attention, face time? Think about him ordaining a male that had a sex change operation in the Lacrosse diocese as a nun ... please there are many, many blatant inconsistencies in his actions. Also, please remember that bishops and cardinals are NOT infallible.
99 posted on 03/01/2005 6:28:22 AM PST by PolishSTL (ST. STANISLAUS PARISHIONERS ARE WRONGED BY GREED OF ARCHDIOCESE)
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To: PolishSTL
Also, please remember that bishops and cardinals are NOT infallible.

This has nothing to do with infallibility, and if you're honest, you will admit that this is nothing but a red herring designed to confuse the issue.

Burke is given way too much credit for being holy and reverent in his actions. Did anyone ever think it was just an act, theatrics for attention, face time? Think about him ordaining a male that had a sex change operation in the Lacrosse diocese as a nun ... please there are many, many blatant inconsistencies in his actions.

You're reliance on the RFT as a source of journalistic integrity and truth would cause reasonable people to question one's ability to discern other truths and facts.

Whether the facts of the story you cite are true or not, it has no bearing on the issue of the rebellion of certain St. Stanislaus individuals. Lastly, attempting to impugn the character of Archbishop Burke by pointing out this story, is, objectively, either the serious sin of rash judgment, detraction or calumny. Perhaps, you might wish to prayerfully consider the following:

The Catechism states:
2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty:
- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;
- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.

2479. Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity.

104 posted on 03/01/2005 7:54:07 AM PST by lrslattery (http://slatts.blogspot.com ...Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: PolishSTL; Canticle_of_Deborah

Unfortunately, I am not in St. Louis.....I am in the NYC area, and affiliated with the Archdiocese of NY, which has similar problems of its own.

I only know AB Burke through his much lauded appearances on EWTN. In my opinion - he made a wonderful performance.....a first class acting job! He has persuaded all that he is a "conservative" - whatever that much hackneyed phrase is supposed to mean nowadays.

So...Burke made a similar public display of his "conservatism" by participating in some pro-life activities? So have the "Groeschelites" (Franciscan Friars of the Renewal)........but nobody in their right mind (who knows of them)would seriously consider them to be Catholic, much less orthodox in faith & practice.

Talk is cheap. So are photo-ops. Any idiot can appear on EWTN, and seem "orthodox". Or perhaps by slpashing around a bit of Latin and what seem to be smatterings of tradition. Many are easily fooled by sich third rate actors.

Retired Bishop Timilin of Scranton, PA comes to mind.......readily worthy of a Golden Globe award to his performances.

Without being cruel, or overy critical of every little facet of a priest's life and personality - we must examine the whole person to see if he is truly orthodox. Not to catch him in sin, or chide him for past mistakes, but rather to see that what seems apparant on the surface, is what dwells within the heart.

My personal example of a real bishop - whom I met and dealt with face to face - was BP Austin Vaughn of NYC. He was a scholar, and a former seminary professor. But he was a decent & simple man. He did not merely give lip servie to the Pro-life cause for a photo-op, he lived it. He was jailed for it more times then I can remember. And did it all because he wanted to - because to the core of his being he believed in it.

One memory I have of him is at the funeral of a priest. I was informing him beforehand of the music to be used. It was to be the traditional Gregorian Requiem mass setting. His face lit up, and like a little child, with great glee he asked: "Credo in Unam Deo"? He wanted to sing the Creed in Latin. He was simple nad childlike in his faith - this clearly shown through him. He outclassed all his contemporaries in this regard. Because he truly was in love with God - and it showed.

I have no wasy of knowing AB Burke interiorly. But what I perceive is not the stuff of which the late Austin Vaughn was made of.

Burke - in my personal opinion - is cut from the same mold as Egan.


110 posted on 03/01/2005 6:55:56 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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