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To: Torie
Despite the allusions you're hearing to the contrary, Burke doesn't walk on water - this is simply about power and money.

These people were operating in the green and not bothering anyone for over a century, then along comes scandals and apostasy (as in all other US diocese) causing massive bleeding of funds. Then all of a sudden the 9 million dollars worth of Polish parish assets starts looking good.

While these folks operate at a profit, Raymond Burke is shutting his parishes down because the American church has forgotten how to bring and keep faithful Catholics.

18 posted on 02/26/2005 10:38:14 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: AAABEST
Well to be fair, Burke's predecessor started making moves, and apparently the move of the Church authorities to control all assets has been going on for decades, changing a previous practice, at least per what I read. And it isn't Burke's fault that the demographics of St. Louis City have changed, and thus there are now too many churches serving too few there to make it financially practicable.
20 posted on 02/26/2005 10:55:44 PM PST by Torie
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To: AAABEST; lrslattery
I suggested on another thread that all of you supporters of the Board go up to St. Louis and attend one of their "polka" masses and then go over to the social hall and have some good stiff drinks and sausages and discuss this. I am sure you all will just love the "polka" mass.

In case you don't get my drift,you really need to read up on this situation,you would not be too impressed with the particulars. I have been keeping up with this for quite some time and this Board fancies themselves akin to the Board of the country club at the end of my street.

I believe they run a country club for second and third generation Poles,or in other words,it's a totally social thing and has little to do with the Roman Catholic Church. The mass is just some entertainment that precedes a social "do". Almost all of them live in the suburbs. The first generation Poles ,who do live in the neighborhood are the ones whose votes were rejected,see Irslattery's previous post.

23 posted on 02/26/2005 11:33:06 PM PST by saradippity
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To: AAABEST
Despite the allusions you're hearing to the contrary, Burke doesn't walk on water - this is simply about power and money.

You don't walk on water, either. And reviling is a sin, so I think you ought to be sure about His Excellency's character, for better or worse, before you speak to it. I know I am. All of these proceedings began before Archbishop Burke arrived here in St. Louis, and he is only following the Vatican's ruling that the parish must come into conformity with Canon Law.

Just curious--are you from St. Louis?

24 posted on 02/27/2005 2:06:01 AM PST by pseudo-ignatius
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To: AAABEST
While these folks operate at a profit, Raymond Burke is shutting his parishes down because the American church has forgotten how to bring and keep faithful Catholics.

More like they moved to south county. There are several parishes there which are bursting at the seams. Jefferson County, St. Charles county, west county - all of them have parishes that can't handle the influx of people moving in from closer in. Assumption just built a new, bigger church.

26 posted on 02/27/2005 5:01:00 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: AAABEST; CouncilofTrent; Viva Christo Rey; Canticle_of_Deborah; vox_freedom; donbosco74; murphE

I concur with your post, and the opinion which you express.

Some have posted here and made it sound like it is a "good thing" if the assets of a parish are totally at the whim of hte pastor and/or bishop....and that the people who supply the money should have no say in what is spent for what or how much!

The contention was raised at the same time that there is "strict accountability" in parish/diocesan finance. Now that I have stopped laughing - that is simply not true. Without lay control.....the type with real "teeth", it is still business as usual for "Fr. Sticky Fingers".

It seesm that some posters to this thread want to have iot both ways.........as long as it is in support of AB Burke, and against the Board of St. Stan's.

There is this to consider: Canon Law can be wrong. It is not divine in origen. It is not part of the Magisterium - the teaching authority of the Church. It is not protected from error. All it is is a man-made proceedural document regarding church discipline.

The Church has the right to make and enforce Church discipline......but that alone does not mean that it is "right".

As I have stated before - numerous times - Christ did not promise His Church earthly riches, nor even comfortable material sufficiency. He did not promise endowment funds, cushy rectories, episcopal mansion, and private condos in the flesh pots of the world.

All Christ promised to His Popes, Bishops, priests, and to his Church in general was spiritual authority and power. Raw authority and power. That is all.

Christ said: "do not concern yourself for what you are to eat, nor to wear"........God would provide for the needs of his shepherds, and for his flock.

God alone would provide.........not Citibank.


37 posted on 02/27/2005 3:28:31 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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