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To: Gerard.P
I'll have to post a few times as time permits. That is a brilliant article by bishop Williamson by the way.

OK, thanks. Now we know.

It is, in fact, a rambling mish-mash of half-truths, half-baked conspiracy theories and utter nonsense interspersed with the occasional moment of lucidity.

The spiel which you posted has absolutely nothing to do with what Williamson is talking about. Not a thing.

He's talking about a government cover-up of the identity of those behind the attack-and those responsible for 9/11.

Who are the true perps?

The Jews and the Masons of course. Just as they were were for WWI and WWII.

Again, we've performed a service for the readers of this thread.

Thanks.

The take home message here folks, to get back to the original point of this thread (in case thor76 is still fretting), is that those who see conspiracy in religious life and in the work of the Pope and the Vatican, see conspiracy everywhere.

Conspiracy lovers can't isolate their need to believe in intrigue, plots and a nefarious unseen world of shadows and bogey men. It infects every area of their psyche and leads to an utterly disordered view of life and religion.

70 posted on 02/16/2005 3:27:50 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
The Bush Conspiracy Theory Generator.
71 posted on 02/16/2005 3:35:32 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: marshmallow
What is a conspiracy theory?.
72 posted on 02/16/2005 3:39:31 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: marshmallow; sinkspur

The take home message here is that folks like you will swallow anything New Rome spoon feeds you, e.g. New Mass, New Bible, New Cathechism, Holy Communion in the Paw, Ascension Sunday, etc.

BTW, the SSPX never had anything do with this thread, yet you were the one who first brought the Society up. Where did you expect the thread to go? You got your wish.

Now you accuse others of disrupting this thread? Remove the beam from your own eye.


73 posted on 02/16/2005 4:48:24 PM PST by Land of the Irish (Tradidi quod et accepi)
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To: marshmallow
I'll have to post a few times as time permits. That is a brilliant article by bishop Williamson by the way.

OK, thanks. Now we know.

Who's "we"?? You and the frog in your pocket? Are you fantasizing that you are the big, bad leader fighting the cause for your millions of fans? LOL!

It is, in fact, a rambling mish-mash of half-truths, half-baked conspiracy theories and utter nonsense interspersed with the occasional moment of lucidity.

No it isn't. You wish it was, but it isn't. It's very well-ordered. It doesn't ramble in the slightest. If you tried to prove your opinion line by line, you'd fail. But don't worry, nobody's holding their breath. Neos never can back up what they say with facts. After they've stamped their feet and puffed away they are basically out of tricks. Williamson's letter follows the thinking of Christ and the Church as regarding its enemies. (or don't you think the Church has enemies?)

The spiel which you posted has absolutely nothing to do with what Williamson is talking about. Not a thing

It's in answer to your tangential litmus test. You toss around messy, non-sensical, half-formulated assumptions that you think TV's brainwashed masses will not question because the drumbeat of the modernist party line makes anything resembling clear thought alien to the A.D.D. generation.

He's talking about a government cover-up of the identity of those behind the attack-and those responsible for 9/11.

No. He's talking about something far worse than that. He's talking about a demonic, philosophical line of thinking and action in the World, (ultimately, Liberalism in all it's ugly forms) that is in contention with Christ. They openly talk about it on TV with regard to the "new order" formerly the "new world order" And I've heard him speak about it in no uncertain terms. Ordinary people through ignorance and very wicked people in places of power. I'm sure you know the types. There are some things I'm sure you are opposed to. Possibly gay marriage and the right to abort. You might believe there is a liberal media bias. Bernard Goldberg wrote "Arrogance" and "Bias" showing one splinter of this trend which Malachi Martin called a "Demonic" energy running the world.

Who are the true perps? The Jews and the Masons of course. Just as they were were for WWI and WWII. Again, we've performed a service for the readers of this thread. Thanks.

Here we go. Time for grandstanding.

The take home message here folks, to get back to the original point of this thread (in case thor76 is still fretting), is that those who see conspiracy in religious life and in the work of the Pope and the Vatican, see conspiracy everywhere.

Right. Here's one of those crackpots. Leo XIII in the long form of the prayer to St. Michael.--"Fight this day the battle of the Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist thee, nor was there place for them any longer in Heaven. That cruel, ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with his angels. Behold, this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay and cast into eternal perdition souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. This wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men of depraved mind and corrupt heart, the spirit of lying, of impiety, of blasphemy, and the pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity.

“These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be. "

Pope St. Pius X, " And now, overwhelmed with the deepest sadness, We ask Ourselves, Venerable Brethren, what has become of the Catholicism of the Sillon? Alas! this organization which formerly afforded such promising expectations, this limpid and impetuous stream, HAS BEEN HARNESSED IN ITS COURSE BY THE MODERN ENEMIES OF THE CHURCH, AND IS NOW NO MORE THAN A MISERABLE AFFLUENT OF THE GREAT MOVEMENT OF APOSTASY BEING ORGANIZED IN EVERY COUNTRY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A ONE-WORLD CHURCH which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, neither discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world (if such a Church could overcome) the reign of legalized cunning and force, and the oppression of the weak, and of all those who toil and suffer.

We know only too well the dark workshops in which are elaborated these mischievous doctrines which ought not to seduce clear-thinking minds. The leaders of the Sillon have not been able to guard against these doctrines. The exaltation of their sentiments, the undiscriminating good-will of their hearts, their philosophical mysticism, mixed with a measure of illuminism, have carried them away towards another Gospel which they thought was the true Gospel of Our Savior. To such an extent that they speak of Our Lord Jesus Christ with a familiarity supremely disrespectful, and that - their ideal being akin to that of the Revolution - they fear not to draw between the Gospel and the Revolution blasphemous comparisons for which the excuse cannot be made that they are due to some confused and over-hasty composition.

And from Pascendi: "There has never been a time when this watchfulness of the supreme pastor was not necessary to the Catholic body, for owing to the efforts of the enemy of the human race, there have never been lacking "men speaking perverse things,"[1] "vain talkers and seducers,"[2] "erring and driving into error."[3] IT MUST, HOWEVER, BE CONFESSED THAT THESE LATTER DAYS HAVE WITNESSED A NOTABLE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST, WHO, BY ARTS ENTIRELY NEW AND FULL OF DECEIT, ARE STRIVING TO DESTROY THE VITAL ENERGY OF THE CHURCH, AND, AS FAR AS IN THEM LIES, UTTERLY TO SUBVERT THE VERY KINGDOM OF CHRIST. WHEREFORE WE MAY NO LONGER KEEP SILENCE, LEST WE SHOULD SEEM TO FAIL IN OUR MOST SACRED DUTY, and lest the kindness that, in the hope of wiser counsels, We have hitherto shown them, should be set down to lack of diligence in the discharge of Our office.

2. That We should act without delay in this matter is made imperative especially BY THE FACT THAT THE PARTISANS OF ERROR ARE TO BE SOUGHT NOT ONLY AMONG THE CHURCH'S OPEN ENEMIES; BUT, WHAT IS TO BE MOST DREADED AND DEPLORED, IN HER VERY BOSOM, AND ARE THE MORE MISCHIEVOUS THE LESS THEY KEEP IN THE OPEN. WE ALLUDE, VENERABLE BRETHREN, TO MANY WHO BELONG TO THE CATHOLIC LAITY, AND, WHAT IS MUCH MORE SAD, TO THE RANKS OF THE PRIESTHOOD ITSELF, who, animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the Person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious audacity, they degrade to the condition of a simple and ordinary mall.

Conspiracist Pope Paul VI: "The tail of the devil is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic world. The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the HIGHEST LEVELS WITHIN THE CHURCH. --Pope Paul VI, October 13, 1977, Address on the Sixtieth Anniversary of the Fatima Apparitions

Here's another conspiracy freak, " If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. 19 If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also. "

Conspiracy lovers can't isolate their need to believe in intrigue, plots and a nefarious unseen world of shadows and bogey men. It infects every area of their psyche and leads to an utterly disordered view of life and religion.

Oh, if only reality were on your side. Your attempts to mischaracterize the world situation because TV told you how you're supposed to think simply don't correspond to right thinking as taught by the Catholic Church. "Can't you see the signs of the times?"

95 posted on 02/16/2005 8:18:34 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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