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To: AAABEST; CouncilofTrent; Robert Drobot; Wessex

Your post poses a most intelligent question: why keep the secret hidden, when the released text in 2000 was very tame & innocous.

At the time it was released I recall speaking to those of my mother's and even gradnmother's generation, who would surely have remembered the build up of anticipation prior to 1960. Their reaction was sort of:..."so that's it? Hardly seemed worth hiding it for 40 years". This was the reaction of persons who were both Catholic & non- Catholic.

One clue as to the true nature, and total content of the real third secret is that Fatima was essentially an "either/or proposition". Due to the action ( or should I say inaction) of Pope John XXII, we are living with the consequences of "or". For 45 years.


26 posted on 02/15/2005 6:47:20 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76

If we take the Vatican line in this,and the "consecration" was done, doesn't it seem that JPII was suckered into believing Fatima?

Since the fruits from the "consecration" are not there, Fatima must have been a sham. It could never have been Our Lady. Otherwise, she is a liar.

So JPII was wrong about the beatifications.

JPII was also wrong about the Blessed Mother saving him on May 13th in 1981.

Lucia was suckered for virtually her whole life. As were the Popes from 1917 onwards.

It seems JPII and Lucia were both "crazy" Fatimists.

That's IF you buy the Vatican line.


30 posted on 02/15/2005 7:20:58 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: thor76; NYer; marshmallow; Gerard.P; OptimusPrime5
Your post poses a most intelligent question:

I've asked intelligent questions (and dumb ones) here, but this isn't an overly intelligent one. In fact, any jackass with just a bit of common sense would would be forced to ask the same. Maybe if I rephrase it simply, someone can give a simple answer.

What is it that is contained in the supposed official version of the third secret that would cause 3 popes over decades to take such great pains to keep the text hidden?

I just don't get it.

I don't believe in Elvis, or flying saucers. Although I know that Mary is the living Mother of God, I don't believe in most Marian "apparitions" for that matter. I believe in Fatima because it's been documented by tens of thousands of people and it's sanctioned by our Church. It's not a matter of conspiracy theories, I don't even know who Father Gruner is.

It's just basic logic to wonder why we should believe what they are telling us when it doesn't seem to make any sense.

It's the same dynamic with the consecration. We're expected to believe something that can't be resolved by simply using the brains that God gave us.

Nobody remembers any real consecration (which would have been a enormous event in our Church), but never mind that - it happened anyway. We all just somehow missed it.

Logic is lacking. Unless you consider a logical argument to be that if you don't shut up and listen to your churchmen - who of course are above all reproach - you're a bad Catholic in a tinfoil suit.

40 posted on 02/15/2005 8:08:56 PM PST by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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