[LeGrande]

>> I will agree that they weren't attempting to eliminate god and religion from the government. They were simply trying to continue the divide and conquer strategy that they had imposed on the government itself (President, Congress, Judiciary). The result though was that America became the first country to take God out of the government. <<

That certainly was not an intended result! George Washington's second inaugural address made plain that he considered removing religion from government would mean the failure of the republic, warning against the godlessness overtaking the French.

Didn't George Washington kiss the bible when he took the oath of office?

George was probably right about the cheese eating surrender monkeys. I think the other George (Bush) was correct too, when he told the pro lifers that the way to win the battle with the abortionists was to change their hearts and minds. The battle is not Christianity vs the rest of the world, it is understanding vs ignorance.

I don't think we really differ too much in our views dangus although my religious preference would be closer to the deists than yours I think.

[dangus]

Well, I certainly agree with the last statement you made about Bush :^). But I would qualify it by stating at this time : Pro-lifers need a stronger consensus than they currently have. But if 70% of the country were pro-life, I think we'd still see 90% of the abortions we're seeing now... and at 90% pro-life, we'd still see 50% of the abortions. There comes a time to move from consensus-building to action.