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Why Do We Still Bother Dept. [Episcopal ministry to prostitutes]
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| 1/23/2005
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Posted on 01/23/2005 6:30:16 PM PST by sionnsar
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posted on
01/23/2005 6:30:16 PM PST
by
sionnsar
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posted on
01/23/2005 6:31:19 PM PST
by
sionnsar
(† trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
To: sionnsar
""My definition of 'saving' is different than the evangelicals," says Ayer, who attends St. Peter's Episcopal uptown. "My definition of saving them is helping them ... To give them a second chance at life. Not to bring them to Jesus.""
What a total disappointment.
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posted on
01/23/2005 6:44:48 PM PST
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
To: sionnsar
Without truly accepting Christ, their lives will not change. I know-- I've tried to help a couple of confused, promiscuous teenage girls.
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posted on
01/23/2005 7:07:09 PM PST
by
walden
To: sionnsar
***A 31-year-old lesbian Episcopal priest in Charlotte, NC wants to start a ministry for prostitutes. So far, so good.***
WAIT!
"A 31-year-old lesbian Episcopal priest..."
How does this rate a "so far so good"????
To: TaxRelief; Huber; Helms
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posted on
01/24/2005 4:35:46 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
(Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
To: sionnsar
Good Monday morning..question..is the use of the word "presence" deliberate here?..or more likely that out "31 year old lesbian Episcopal priest" just has forgotten what it really means..
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posted on
01/24/2005 5:00:58 AM PST
by
ken5050
To: sionnsar
To be fair, I see something in her words I would agree with. It could be read that her prime motiviation is to get these women out of their current life and not JUST to bring them to Jesus. The same sentiment could be said for feeding the hungry, clothing the poor etc. We do this because Jesus commands it, not because we want to convert them.
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posted on
01/24/2005 6:05:11 AM PST
by
Raycpa
(Alias, VRWC_minion,)
To: sionnsar
this is why women as priests is a mistake. Bishop Duncan is a nice guy but he loves women like this.
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posted on
01/24/2005 7:28:45 AM PST
by
q_an_a
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posted on
01/24/2005 7:45:13 AM PST
by
TaxRelief
(Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
To: q_an_a
this is why women as priests is a mistake. Excuse, me, but "this" problem is not limited to women priests in the ECUSA.
Ms. Ayers is making a big mistake, but it's the same problem that is present, not just with the ECUSA, but with religion in America as a whole. The trouble, of course, is that Ms. Ayers is not providing a strong Christian witness. She's basically afraid of it, I think -- and is thus guilty of the same thing your precious male priests are guilty of doing.
I know the whiff of pharisee-ism when I smell it, and I know that a lot of nice, male, orthodox priests would be tut-tutting about these prostitutes and doing little else. In that regard, Ms. Ayers has done a lot more than a lot of orthodox male priests would ever have done. And as a woman, it is quite possible that the prostitutes -- who need saving -- would trust her as they wouldn't trust a male priest.
Her problem is lack of Christian conviction, and fear of witness. She should be trying to bring these women to Christ. At the same time, she is (rightly, IMO) leery of seeming like the spittle-tossers who call themselves evangelists, because it's usually the case that those types do more harm than good. Alas, she's thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
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posted on
01/24/2005 7:50:08 AM PST
by
r9etb
To: sionnsar
"My definition of 'saving' is different than the evangelicals," says Ayer, who attends St. Peter's Episcopal uptown. "My definition of saving them is helping them ... To give them a second chance at life. Not to bring them to Jesus." Why not just open a brothel? Give them a safe place to work under the auspices of the church, without being judgmental? ;)
To: sionnsar
From the Article about the lesbian person saving prostitutes:
"Society doesn't want to get their hands dirty with these individuals," Ayer says, "but they're just as worthy for a place at God's table."
That only comes through God. None of us are worthy for a place at God's table, it takes a great act of Mercy to be in the room with God's table.
Without God, there is no table.
Saving them as the world say they should be saved would mean paying better than prostitution pays. Saving them FOREVER is giving them the understanding that what they offer for sale is not worth the money they get.
I hope one of her goals is to get them to give up prostitution, and not just move the whorehouse uptown. Education is great if they find a better line of work.
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posted on
01/24/2005 7:56:43 AM PST
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
To: TaxRelief
"To give them a second chance at life. Not to bring them to Jesus."
Sounds more like a minister of death.
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posted on
01/24/2005 7:57:17 AM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: sionnsar
It will provide a useful list of phone numbers for lonely guys on the town.
So9
To: Mr. Jeeves; Raycpa
I will concur with Raycpa that she is trying to get them out of that, um, what's that word we use these days, "lifestyle."
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posted on
01/24/2005 8:51:02 AM PST
by
sionnsar
(† trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
To: TaxRelief; azhenfud
TR,
I deeply appreciate that!
I got home around lunchtime; everything went just fine.
I'll probably take a nice long nap till Mrs. CD gets home. :)
Thanks,
CD
To: r9etb
I believe r9etb has the right response -- Christ welcomed those on the margins and so should we, but He never compromised his message and neither should we.
A call to repentance can be issued in many ways and not only by thundering from a pulpit.
To: r9etb
"Her problem is lack of Christian conviction, and fear of witness." I think you're basically right but if she's a lesbian priest she has more problems than a lack of Christian conviction and a fear of witnessing.
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posted on
01/24/2005 12:03:13 PM PST
by
HarleyD
To: HarleyD
I think you're basically right but if she's a lesbian priest she has more problems than a lack of Christian conviction and a fear of witnessing. Can't disagree with you there....
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posted on
01/24/2005 12:05:34 PM PST
by
r9etb
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