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To: DBeers
"Yes -because it incorrect to interdict the Pope between an individual and Christ in regards to salvation."

Not sure what you mean here. If you are saying it is incorrect to put the Pope between man and Christ, I agree. But I have a feeling you mean something different.

"If one accepts salvation through Christ as sound teaching -why does one not accept the same source of sound teaching regarding the One Church Christ established and the authoritative authentic teachers he put in place?"

I accept all of what you said here. Except, you and I disagree on what the "One" Church Christ established is. You believe it is the Catholic Church based in Rome. I believe it is Christ's body. On this point, we will have to agree to disagree.

"Why suggest that Christ's Church and His Apostles' teaching authority precludes salvation"

When and where have I done that?!?

"Research Apostolic Tradition"

I have. Many of the traditions of today's Catholic Church have nothing to do with traditions mentioned by apostles like Paul. Nor are they inspired Word of God. I prefer to rely on the inspired Word of God.

88 posted on 01/21/2005 2:31:38 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Be aware, the only reason I respond is my feeling that you genuinely are seeking Truth...

Not sure what you mean here. If you are saying it is incorrect to put the Pope between man and Christ, I agree. But I have a feeling you mean something different.

No, I don't mean something different.

I prefer to rely on the inspired Word of God.

You are free to prefer whatever you wish; however, as I have stated before, the "inspired Word of God" alone is not the complete deposit of teaching... If you prefer to ignore Apostolic Tradition -again, you are free to prefer whatever you wish; however, as such I do not think you really did the work to research Apostolic Tradition. Why?

For starters, look in your Bible in 2 Thessalonians: 2 Thes 2:15, "Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours."

This verse is telling you to honor the Apostolic Traditions which have been handed down by word of mouth from generation to generation. Where is this the "Christ's body" church and where is this handed down tradition in the "Christ's body" church?

As an aside, an 'apparent' Bible conflict with 2 Thessalonians 2:15, is Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one captivate you with an empty, seductive philosophy according to human tradition, according to the elemental powers of the world and not according to Christ."

From this it is clear that there are referred to two types of 'Tradition', human 'tradition' (small 't') handed down by men and not after Christ (as stated in Col 2:8), and Apostolic 'Tradition' (capital 'T'), handed down from the 'Word of GOD'(as stated in 2 Thes 2:15), the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself, and the on going teaching of the Catholic Church.

Note: The condemnations of tradition in Mt 15:3, Mk 7:9, and Col 2:8 refer to bad human traditions. 2 Thes 2:15 refers to Apostolic Tradition, the 'Word of God'

89 posted on 01/21/2005 3:32:18 PM PST by DBeers
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