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To: Reuben Hick
Therefore, my justification in identifying those who deny the six day creation deny the flood and claim that Jesus Christ's lineage included worms and bugs as God haters is justified. What is your justification for calling me a "moonbat"? Is it because insults are your only way to defend the undefendable?

Because my salvation is not dependent on your narrow, personal interpretation of Genesis. It is dependent on my belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, God's son, who died for my sins and rose again to defeat death an make me worthy.

The fact that I accept this and love Jesus & the father for it put the lie to your hyperbolic, inaccurate, "moonbat" ravings that I and other who believe this hate God.

As far as insults go, I would examine the mote in your own eye first yeah of the judgmental "anyone who does not be;ieve exactly what I do hates God". Ever wonder why there are about 1000 branches of the Baptist/Evangelical church? Baptist congregations disintegrate at over the most niggling differences, but your qualified to tell me I hate God.

70 posted on 01/18/2005 7:39:44 AM PST by NJ Neocon (Democracy is tyranny of the masses. It is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner)
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To: NJ Neocon
As far as insults go...

I find it hard to participate with all the name calling and keeping in mind 'Love thy neighbor'. There is a nice article and thread on Jesus Christ's teaching and God's law which shows that he stressed the internal sense over persecuting those who do not believe a narrow interpretation of the literal sense of the Word. Some here may do well to review the thread and reconsider how they approach these topics - at present they appear as so many Pharisees.

I agree totally with you that we are factionalized and our adversary seems well organized in comparison.

71 posted on 01/18/2005 8:05:06 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Matt 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.)
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To: NJ Neocon
Because my salvation is not dependent on your narrow, personal interpretation of Genesis.

First of all, it isn't my "personal interpretation" The charge of "narrow interpretation" is called "orthodoxy" and has been held faithfully by believers for thousands of years. Materialism is a late comer, and if you cared to explore the origins of syncretizing the death cult of atheistic materialism into corrupting the ageless Word, then you would discover that there is no basis in fact to support your "personal interpretation". FUrthermore your opinions are in contradiction to the prophets and the apostles who refered to Genesis 1-11 as true history not some insipid uninterpretable poetry.

Jesus Christ is the 2nd Adam, which means that there is 1st Adam. The whole concept of sin nature begins with the Fall. Since you reject the Fall, then you must deny the doctrine of Original Sin. Denying the doctrine of Original Sin means that you deny the doctrine of Subsitution. To deny the doctrine of Substitution, you have no mechanism to be redeemed. If you have no redemption, then you are damned.

Basically you have a religion where you reject all of the doctrines and live off the warm fuzzies of emotionalism. I don't get it. How can you be ashamed of the gospel, call Jesus Christ a liar, and assume that you are saved?

Do I sound peeved? I hope so. The major doctrines of Scripture are presented in the first eleven chapters of Genesis. The whole foundation of Christianity begins right there. When someone comes up and says that Genesis 1-11 is bogus, is a metaphor (of what, we all wonder), is fiction, or something that can mean anything to anybody (the opposite of "narrow interpretation") then it shows a remarkable arrogance and indifference to the revelation of the Almighty. The Apostle Peter also was peeved, and declared scoffers who prefer "broad interpretations" as "willfully ignorant". I stand in good company.

72 posted on 01/18/2005 8:40:01 AM PST by Reuben Hick
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To: NJ Neocon
Ever wonder why there are about 1000 branches of the Baptist/Evangelical church? Baptist congregations disintegrate at over the most niggling differences, but your qualified to tell me I hate God.

Argument through distraction. How nice. For your information, there is a reason why true Baptists exist as independant groups - study their objections and observed pitfalls towards creating conventions and assemblies. THere are plenty of bogus baptists euphemistically called "Southern Baptists" that really follow semi-pelagian doctrines that bear little resemblance to traditional orthodoxy. (But that is another rant). So when you point to "1000 branches" that is because of design, not because of infighting. Regardless, many gather because of personality differences (high church, charismata, banjos & bely dancers, etc.).

Now of those "1000 baptist" churches, I don't think that one will find many who reject the gospel like you have. It is highly hypocritical of you to condemn Scipture and reject the major doctrines of Christianity and then act outraged because there are more than one baptist assemblies in town. Jesus Christ said that if you deny Him on earth, He will deny you on the Last Day. Since you deny His words and His gospel, exactly why do you expect Him to make an exception for you? And is it love when you call Him a liar? - and then vigorously defend yourself by insulting and criticising others who are trying to show you the error in your thinking?

Instead of acting so outraged and lashing out, try to defend the undefendable by showing exactly why no one should believe the Bible and still be a Christian.

For example, explain why you feel that God's word must comply to the wild speculations of avowed God haters (ie Chuck Darwin, Carl PSagan)

75 posted on 01/18/2005 9:08:53 AM PST by Reuben Hick
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