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To: Mershon
No Sinky, if Leo and Pius and Gregory were wrong, then certainly Vatican II and your errant interpretation COULD be wrong, which we know cannot be.

Freedom of religion is not "wrong." Nor is freedom of the press. For any American Catholic to maintain otherwise is simply unbelieveable.

220 posted on 12/13/2004 1:24:47 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: sinkspur
For any American Catholic to maintain otherwise is simply unbelieveable

There's the problem right there- he's an "American Catholic" - sorry I prefer to put my allegiance to the Church first than any man made institution.

222 posted on 12/13/2004 1:45:42 PM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: sinkspur

Sinky: Freedom of religion is not "wrong." Nor is freedom of the press. For any American Catholic to maintain otherwise is simply unbelieveable.

ME: Let's try this approach. I follow the magisterium of the Church, which includes all of the teaching of the predecessors of the current Pope, Paul VI and John XXIII. The only teaching authority they have is to "hand on" (traditio) what they have received from the Apostles. This is called the Deposit of Faith.

It matters NOT ONE IOTA whether American Catholics think Pope Leo XIII's "freedom of the press" or "freedom of religion" is wrong. It matters not, because the laity are NOT those vested with authority by Christ. It is the magisterium, which includes the "universal" and "eternal" magisterial teaching: not just your errant understanding of "religious freedom."

It doesn't matter whether or not YOU believe it or not either--even though you are allegedly an ordained man. YOU are wrong, NOT Pope Leo XIII, Pius IX and X (Saint), nor Gregory. Look in the mirror. Freedom of the press (to promulgate error) is condemned. It is counter to Catholic doctrine. Get it?


224 posted on 12/13/2004 2:04:58 PM PST by Mershon
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