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To: kosta50
Well there is an entire theology to this, Kosta, and people I believe to be more holy and wise than you and I have deliberated this for how long? A long, long time.

It's probably best to remember that we are not yet theologians. And actually much of what is said about this makes perfect sense to me. Besides which, Holy Scripture states it the way we do.

509 posted on 12/18/2004 1:12:36 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Well there is an entire theology to this, Kosta, and people I believe to be more holy and wise than you and I have deliberated this for how long?

That is part of the problem. The hermits did not know theology yet they walked on water. The bishop couldn't -- his theology and Holy orders notwithstanding.

Theology is not faith. It took me a while to realize that. Theology is a rationalization of faith, within our capacities.

Jesus did not give us theology; he gave us commandments: love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and your neighbor as much as yourself.

You know what MarMema, we can't do it. We all sink! So we invent theology to 'justify' our inability to walk on water. People who have faith do not need theology.

Jesus did not tell us to cross, or to cross with three fingers...what you don't understand is that 99% of what we do in church is human invention.

If you denied yourself the Eucharist because you didn't think you were worthy of it, then maybe you can in clear conscience deny someone else for the same reason. Just because you are Orthodox does not make you better, nor more worthy in the yes of God.

As for the standard worn-out cliche of the more holy and wise people, should I remind you that the wisest fell into error (Tertullian, Origen) and the listing of anti-semitic Christian fathers is proof that none is above sin or error.

512 posted on 12/18/2004 1:28:00 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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