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“Icon in music” [bad music is not worshipful]
Pontifications ^ | 12/01/2004 | Pontificator

Posted on 12/01/2004 7:48:32 AM PST by sionnsar

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To: Gamecock

That reminds me to put it on the Christmas list. I just wish they had all the songs in the IG songbook. They have an incredible number of awesome songs on their website's "songbook" that haven't even made it to the CD's yet.


81 posted on 12/04/2004 1:26:59 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the...feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse." --J.S. Mill)
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To: All

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Just ordered!


82 posted on 12/04/2004 6:31:17 AM PST by bonfire
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To: rwfromkansas

You mean you don't like "Shine, Jesus Shine" or "I want to be a rainbow for Jesus"?


83 posted on 12/05/2004 10:14:03 AM PST by PresbyRev
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To: sionnsar

In my Evangelical Presbyterian Church, we have a traditional adult choir (I sing alto) along with "praise teams" who begin the service with music. The choir performs a wide variety of music, from very traditional classical music to gospel. The music director also plays the violin when we sign the old hymns from the hymnbook, and we occasionally have a brass accompaniment (which I love). When I first joined, I have to admit I didn't really like the contemporary praise stuff, but I have grown to like most of it. I particularly like "Shout to the Lord," and have even been known to clap along. It just goes to show that a person can adapt to a lot of things! However, I would very strongly object to loud rock-style music. My church doesn't do that (at least so far).


84 posted on 12/07/2004 8:57:38 AM PST by Ex-Episcopalian
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To: rwfromkansas
If a choir performs while everybody else listens, it is just as bad as if there is a praise band up there.

Well, almost as bad. It is very, very hard to get THAT bad.

I've noticed that a great many of those who vehementy argue for praise bands are those actively involved in them. They have fun playing in them and don't want to give up their "gig" before a captive audience.

Reverence is a thing of the past. Nowadays, it is this sickening, presumptive over-familiarity with One whom John would not dare to approach in such a way (Rev.1 describes the Lord whom we no longer know after the flesh, but the glorified Lord, Whom upon seeing , the exiled apostle fell at his feet as though dead).

To Laodecean our Lord said:
You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich. (possibly a reference to acquiring a sound, growing Biblically-rooted faith. (Rev.3)

85 posted on 12/10/2004 10:44:52 AM PST by Zechariah11
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To: sionnsar

Please show me where pipe organs are mentioned in the Bible. Please tell me how poor Nicaraguan churches whose members live on dirt floors can "all" get a pipe organ. Thanks in advance.


86 posted on 01/24/2005 9:29:36 PM PST by openotherend
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To: openotherend

Huh? Pipe organ? Did you post to the right thread?


87 posted on 01/25/2005 9:49:06 AM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
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To: sionnsar; All; Alamo-Girl; anniegetyourgun; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; Bennett46; betsyross60; ...

Don't want to start a vanity for this . . . BUT PLEASE HELP.

Am looking for artist and song title suggestions. I'm trying to down load a bunch of additional songs for my MP3 player--I like a limited variety of worship/Christian music.

Old hymns are fine depending. Judy Collins on Amazing Grace is great.

I liked the old HYMNS TRIUMPHANT first tape.

I like some contemporary Christian music IF

IF

IF

it is NOT heavy beat rocky, noisey, obnoxious in those terms.

I like more folk song ballad style or at least melodious.

Any suggestions?


88 posted on 03/11/2005 2:00:02 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Anything by the St. Olaf Choir.


89 posted on 03/11/2005 2:14:19 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Terri's battle is NOT against flesh and blood....)
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To: Quix

Twila Paris: "Lamb of God"
Amy Grant: "El Shaddai"

"Be Thou My Vision" is old Gaelic, similar style as "Amazing Grace," and it's beautiful. There's several versions out there, some not so hot, so listen to all before you judge the piece.

My Favorite, I think: "Oh, Happy Day," by The Edwin Hawkins Singers, circa 1964


90 posted on 03/11/2005 2:22:37 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Terri's battle is NOT against flesh and blood....)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Great. I'd forgotten some of those. I really liked that Edwin Hawkins one, too.

THANKS BIG


91 posted on 03/11/2005 2:30:29 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: sionnsar; Quix; Molly Pitcher; kayak; Faith; Miss Marple; MozartLover
The problem is not praise music. It's the exclusivity of praise music.

There has always been a mix of "songs, hymns and spiritual songs" in churches, but the problem now, is that traditional, theologically sound hymnody is almost completely absent from a large number of churches. (One book of choruses......271 of them, to be exact.....didn't have ONE reference to the Cross in any of it's songs).

It makes musical worship a mile wide and an inch deep, and the musical, theological education that used to take place in church non-existant (including worshipping God with our MINDS).

It's a serious spiritual problem, IMO, and part of the reason so many Christians in America are so weak......

(btw, I am a Protestant church musician who lost my job in my former church after 18 years so that the church might become more 'culturally relevant.' I'm now in a Presbyterian Church that values depth, traditon, and worshipping the Christ of the Cross)

92 posted on 03/11/2005 2:35:29 PM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: Quix
Michael Card is great.......VERY deep lyrics, very 'listenable' music.

Jars of Clay is a good group that goes beyond the fluff of most 'Christian' contemporary pap.

93 posted on 03/11/2005 2:39:06 PM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: ohioWfan

Too much truth about a mile wide and an inch deep.

I do think though, that Christian weakness has more to do with

PRIDE, SELFISHNESS, FEAR

than a LOT of other things.

I simply choose music which edifies me, builds me up and draws me closer to God. A reasonable range does that and certainly The Blood and The Cross are recurring themes in my collections.


94 posted on 03/11/2005 2:45:11 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: ohioWfan

I like both of those, too.

Thx.


95 posted on 03/11/2005 2:46:48 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: reaganaut
My feelings exactly.
96 posted on 03/11/2005 2:50:43 PM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: Quix
There is a wide range of musical styles, and varying depth of texts which can edify us.

As I said before, the problem is that many (most?) churches are eliminating all but the fluff, and that, IMO, is dangerous.

Pride and selfishness are not far removed from the motivation to do only music which entertains us and makes us 'feel good.' I think they are interrelated with the shallowness of contemporary worship in what is contributing to the wimpiness of American Christianity.

97 posted on 03/11/2005 3:10:27 PM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: ohioWfan

TRUE enough!


98 posted on 03/11/2005 3:19:23 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Hi Quix.

I like Christian rock groups such as Third Day and Mercy Me. There are a few Christian folk & country songs I like a lot also. Here are my fav Christian songs so far:

Third Day:
Show Me Your Glory
God of Wonders
Living for Jesus
Your Love Oh Lord
Worthy Is the Lamb
Take My Life

Mercy Me:
I Can Only Imagine

Collin Raye:
What If Jesus Comes Back Like That

Maranatha:
Holy Holy Holy

Lee Greenwood: (or the Mormon Tabernacle Choir)
How Great Thou Art

Elvis Presley:
The Old Rugged Cross

Gladys Knight & the Pips:
I Believe

Judy Collins:
One Day At a Time

Andy Williams:
The Lord's Prayer

Patti Page:
Amazing Grace

Great Miscellaneous Catholic songs with no specific singer:
On Eagle's Wings
Were You There When They Crucified My Lord
Here I Am Lord
One Bread One Body
You Are Near


99 posted on 03/11/2005 4:23:17 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Quix; oprahstheantichrist
Amy Grant: "El Shaddai"

Excellent choice!

100 posted on 03/11/2005 4:24:38 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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