[Blessed Charlemagne]

My point is, Mr Sink Spur, that what you are providing is structural at best. It is not conclusive and provides little insight into the substance of the ritual itself. Your claim has been refuted many times over. Is that all you got?

[sinkspur]

It is not conclusive and provides little insight into the substance of the ritual itself. Your claim has been refuted many times over.

It has never been refuted. It is, in fact, the substance of the ritual.

Does Justin, Martyr's account more closely reflect the Novus Ordo, or the Tridentine?