Posted on 11/10/2004 12:59:06 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
cannot argue with St. Pius X. He was a great man.
No I was demonstrating that the argument presented was, in fact, rather silly and non-cogent.
That was funny! Seriously, though, what's the real difference between a heretic and/or schismatic and an apostate and/or pagan? Or have I just answered by own question?
Let me follow "Fr. Moderator"'s logic:
1. Cardinal O'Connor is bad.
2. Therefore, the 1970MR is bad.
Let's apply that same train of thought:
1. Alexander VI is bad.
2. Therefore, the traditional Roman Missal is bad.
Doesn't quite work, does it?
Your demonstration has failed.
What's next? Your demonstration of perpetual motion?
It's not a falsehood. Go to the Catholic Catechism, under the Eucharist, and you'll read how similar the Mass of Paul VI is to the early liturgy of the Church.
Your picture doesn't work. I went to the SSPX French website, but there were only two pictures in the section on Campos and neither of them showed Bp. Rifan on the altar participating. There was one which appeared to show him standing (and still looking annoyed) in the congregation (the people behind him are clearly laypersons). Can you post the picture you're referring to?
You are incorrect.
The sole objection you stated to the Novus Ordo liturgy was that the language used was the vernacular.
I demonstrated that said objection was, at its core, rather silly, simply by extending your
What makes Latin more "sacred" than English or Aramaic? The last is what Jesus actually spoke.
If you have another objection, by all means, I do wish to hear it.
What's next? Your demonstration of perpetual motion?
I leave that to the schismatics of both flavors who perpetually flail against the Magisterium.
Alexander VI didn't codify the Traditional Roman Missal (I think this is the one you were referring to. Please tell me if im mistaken). Anyway, the "Borgia" pope never changed doctrine or the Mass, he was just not a great pope.
Go to the link a few posts above that post. Sometimes pictures don't carry over from certain sites. On the site you will find different pics DICI didn't post.
Rifan is on the altar. He participated by his own admission when he claimed to "fake" participating.
similar, BUT not the same.
The first beneficiary of salvation is the Church. Christ won the Church for himself at the price of his own blood and made the Church his co-worker in the salvation of the world. Indeed, Christ dwells within the Church. She is his Bride. It is he who causes her to grow. He carries out his mission through her ... Dialogue should be conducted and implemented with the conviction that the Church is the ordinary means of salvation and that she alone possesses the fullness of the means of salvation. (Redemptoris Missio, 9; 55)
"what? you don't think the Pope is Catholic?"
I hope he is for his own sake, don't you?
He has certainly said and written a few heretical things, but I'm not qualified to judge whether that means he is not a Catholic. That will be for his successors to decide as his predecessors did with Pope Honorious.
The fact of his being the current pontiff no more prevents him from teaching heresy in his private capacity than it did for his predecessors. A great number of such cases are listed in the Acta of Vatican I.
Its true. He gives the IDEA. I dont know what his personal beliefs are and am not going to go into that.
"Therefore heresy is a species of unbelief, belonging to those who profess the Christian faith, but corrupt its dogmas." (St. Thomas, Summa theologiae, II-II q. 11 a. 1)
schismatic
"Accordingly schismatics properly so called are those who, wilfully and intentionally separate themselves from the unity of the Church ... a schismatic both obstinately scorns the commandments of the Church, and refuses to submit to her judgment" (St. Thomas, Summa theologiae, II-II q. 39 a. 1)
apostate
"But if he give up the faith, then he seems to turn away from God altogether: and consequently, apostasy simply and absolutely is that whereby a man withdraws from the faith" (St. Thomas, Summa theologiae, II-II q. 12 a. 1)
I'll just point out that there is yet another error in the calendar -- it should say "St. Rafka" and not "Blessed Rafka".
You actually believe this?
And Cardinal O'Connor didn't codify the reformed Roman Missal.
Oh, it's not exactly the same. If it were the same, all the laymen at the assembly would be able to testify ("preach"), and each Christian would be able to take the Eucharist home with him for consumption during the week.
But for those and a couple of other minor details, the Mass of Paul VI is exactly like the Eucharistic service detailed in the Didache.
My sincerest apologies! And, thank you, for pointing out an additional error! A Maronite blessing on you and your family :-)
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