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To: Quix

Five generally accepted historical facts:

1.) Abraham lived around 2000 BCE.

2.) Old Testament compiled circa 1200 BCE and 200 BCE.

3.) New Testament compiled circa 45 CE and 140 CE.

4.) Muhammad’s was born circa 570 CE.

5.) Qur’an was compiled concurrent and post Muhammad.

Qur’an verse 003.067: Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.

Question: How is the Qur’an compiled by “borrowing” from the Old Testament & New Testament, the Jewish and Christian Traditions, yet Abraham is labeled a Muslim Qur’an verse 003.067?

Note by comparison that the Christian outwardly acknowledge the Old Testament, the Jewish Tradition, but Christian’s don’t claim Abraham or Moses were a Christians.

There is in fact a number of figures in the Qur’an from other traditions: Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, to name a few. Jesus is also in the Qur’an referred to as the “Messenger of Allah.”

People these days ask, why do they hate us???

Radical Muslims have a crisis of confidence that has deadly implications. Jews are a people and Judaism is their common religion. For the radical muslim, they must destroy the Jewish People the Jewish Tradition and lay claim the Jewish Tradition as the Muslim Tradition. The reality that the Qur’an descended from the Torah, the Jewish Tradition, must be dispelled. There is a stuggle to rewrite fact five above. This is not unlike the Nazi exploits in the 1930’s-40’s to establish pure historical lineage.

This is why carrying a bible in a Muslim country will get you killed!

And, the non-radicals Muslims will just step over your body -that’s another story. Know that the Muslim religion is based upon the teachings and life of Mohammed and is closely linked to state governance!


1,631 posted on 09/28/2007 8:25:23 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888

The Muslim religion is based upon the teachings and life of Mohammed and is closely linked to state governance:

Christians (and Jews) could not be freed from their ignorance until Muhammad came bringing the Qur’an as clear evidence (Al-Bayyinah 98:1).

Any such true believers will submit to Allah by accepting Muhammad as the prophet of Islam, i.e. they will become Muslims. (Âl ‘Imran 3:198)

True Christians will not love Muhammad’s enemies. (Al-Mujadilah 58:22)

Some Jews and Christians are true believers, accepting Islam: most are transgressors. (Âl ‘Imran 3:109)

Many monks and rabbis are greedy for wealth and prevent people from coming to Allah. (At-Taubah 9:34,35)

Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Muhammad will go to hell. (Al-Bayyinah 98:6)

Muslims should not take Christians or Jews for friends. (Al-Ma’idah 5:51) They must fight against Christians and Jews who refuse Islam until they surrender, pay the poll-tax and are humiliated. (At-Taubah 9:29)

‘Isa (Jesus) was simply a created human being, and a slave of Allah. (An-Nisa’ 4:172; Âl ‘Imran 3:59)

Islam appropriates the history of Judaism and Christianity to itself:

When Muhammad linked the name of Allah to the religious histories of Judaism and Christianity, this was a way to claim them for Islam. In the light of later events, the claim that Islam was the original religion, and that all preceding prophets were Muslims, can be regarded as an attempt to appropriate the histories of other religions for Islam. The effect is to rob Christianity and Judaism of their own histories.

Consider that many Biblical sites, such as the tombs of the Hebrew Patriarchs and the Temple Mount, are claimed by Islam as Muslim sites, not Jewish or Christian ones. After all, the Qur’an tells us that Abraham ‘was a Muslim’. Under Islamic rule all Jews and Christians were banned from such sites.

The place of the Jewish scriptures in Christianity is completely different from the place of the Bible in Islam:

There is a fundamental difference between Christian attitudes to the Jewish scriptures and Islamic attitudes to the Bible. Christians accept the Hebrew scriptures. They were the scriptures of Jesus and the apostles. They were the scriptures of the early church. The whole of Christian belief and practice rests upon them. Core Christian concepts such as ‘Messiah’ (Greek ‘Christos’), ‘Spirit of God’, ‘Kingdom of God’ and ‘salvation’ are deeply rooted in the Hebrew Biblical traditions.

We note also that Christian seminaries devote considerable effort to studying the Hebrew scriptures. This is an integral part of training for Christian ministry. The Hebrew scriptures are read (in translation) every Sunday in many churches all around the world.

In contrast Islam’s treatment of the Bible is one of complete disregard. Although it purports to ‘verify’ all earlier prophetic revelation, the Qur’an is oblivious to the real contents of the Bible. The claim that Christians and Jews deliberately corrupted their scriptures is made without evidence, and this only serves to cover up the Qur’an’s historical inadequacies. Muslim scholars rarely have an informed understanding of the Bible or of biblical theology and so remain ignorant of these realities.

Some contemporary Muslim voices on Jesus:

Yasser Arafat, addressing a press conference at the United Nations in 1983 called Jesus “the first Palestinian fedayeen who carried his sword” (i.e. he was a freedom fighter for Islam).

Conclusion:

‘Isa (Jesus) of the Qur’an is a product of fable, imagination and ignorance. When Muslims venerate this ‘Isa, they have someone different in mind from the Yeshua or Jesus of the Bible and of history. The ‘Isa of the Qur’an is based on no recognized form of historical evidence, but on fables current in seventh century Arabia.

The Jesus of the gospels is the base upon which Christianity developed. By Islamicizing him, and making of him a Muslim prophet who preached the Qur’an, Islam destroys Christianity and takes over all its history. It does the same to Judaism.

In the end times as described by Muhammad, ‘Isa becomes a warrior who will return with his sword and lance. He will destroy the Christian religion and make Islam the only religion in all the world. Finally at the last judgement he will condemn Christians to hell for believing in the crucifixion and the incarnation.

This final act of the Muslim ‘Isa reflects Islam’s apologetic strategy in relation to Christianity, which is to deny the Yeshua of history, and replace him with a facsimile of Muhammad, so that nothing remains but Islam.

“The Muslim supersessionist current claims that the whole biblical history of Israel and Christianity is Islamic history, that all the Prophets, Kings of Israel and Judea, and Jesus were Muslims. That the People of the Book should dare to challenge this statement is intolerable arrogance for an Islamic theologian. Jews and Christians are thus deprived of their Holy Scriptures and of their salvific value.”

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1,632 posted on 09/28/2007 9:15:27 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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