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the fight of the Spirit (not just our new spirit but God's Holy Spirit within our spirit..) against the flesh is real time all the time. We're not taking a time out of that fight to post here or understand here. Because the fight is real, there are not two natures of the new creation in Jesus Christ--us. There is only one nature (God's nature--"..as he is so are we in this world..") fighting against the flesh. Sin is non-creating speech. Your idea of what words are is a deception. You have formerly thought that words were a medium in which understanding is had, that you had to 'use' speech to 'do' something. (functionally, you were caught in the lie of 'higher criticism'..) It is the speech that is using you. You are as a new creation in Jesus Christ, used of God and it is God who does both the willing and the doing of HIs good pleaure through you. The flesh is used of sin as best as sin can. The most blatant declaration of that is the man who was possessed by the Legion. The Legion was both a singular demon and multiple spirits--a speech as living moving, flesh-controling power. (note the actions of the man and the swine afterwards as to the singular demon and multiple spirits controling the flesh) (note the fascade of the 'demon using speech to communicate with the Word of God' when in truth the demon IS that speech that said very blatantly said to the Word of God "what have I to do with thee?" That difference is declared all through Scripture.

In the following passage note the 'he' and 'they' of the enemy: Nahum 1:9-15 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor(sayer of words.. parenthesis mine.) Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more. For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder. And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning theethat no more of thy name be sown, : out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

The Word of God as gospel (the creating Word of God that births us into the pure Speech of God as new creations in Jesus Christ so that we desire the "..pure mental milk of the Word..", etc.. delivers us from an oppresor that we had formerly been deceived was the very tool we would find truth with--words and speech we thought we were gathering together as 'understanding' and 'knowledge'... Yet God is Truth as His Own Word.. and in the gospel is fulfilled: Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

I thank God that He has spoken this truth through me to you. May there be understanding of this from this day forward forever in the house of God and body of Christ.

Do you see what God has done through Jesus Christ/Word of God/the gospel to you and for you now? We are the firstfruits of that pure language--God Himself. He is His Word...

Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.

The fight between flesha nd Spirit of real, literal new creation is also seen in:

Jam 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. Jam 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Jam 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Jam 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Jam 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Jam 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

telder1, speech is not a medium of knowledge transmission is what I think you are saying.

Your previous post has my head spinning a bit. But, I have been doing word studies like crazy since my conversion, so I think what you have written here is something I should comprehend.

Do you have additonal info, links, that sort of gives the abc's of what you are arguing?

"Sin is a craving inspired by temptation to do that which is not right in the eyes of God." What you are saying is that this comment is NOT true.... I think, right?