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NY Post ^ | October 23, 2004 | Duncan Maxwell Anderson

Posted on 10/27/2004 9:30:37 AM PDT by Mershon

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Kerry IS excommunicated. Vatican denials poor PR recovery. Read the original letter by Father Cole at www.defide.com.
1 posted on 10/27/2004 9:30:37 AM PDT by Mershon
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Sad to see that the Curia is as wet-noodily as ever. The Democrats and Republicans should siphon off some Vatican operatives to spin,spin,spin.


2 posted on 10/27/2004 10:45:14 AM PDT by Lilllabettt
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I think, even the devil himself would claim to be more pro-life than the Pope if it could only be used to attacks the Catholic Church.

Unlike the position of some "Christian" churches, the eternal, unchangeable teaching of the Catholic Church is that abortion is intrinsically evil and cannot be endorsed under any circumstances. Those "Catholics" who procure, or actively participate in it are automatically excommunicated. Amen.


3 posted on 10/27/2004 11:45:49 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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Unlike the position of some "Christian" churches, the eternal, unchangeable teaching of the Catholic Church is that abortion is intrinsically evil and cannot be endorsed under any circumstances.

I believe many "conservative" Catholic Freepers think abortion is OK in case of rape and incest as evidenced by their support of President Bush. Do you think if Bush was Catholic he should be excommunicated?

4 posted on 10/27/2004 2:51:55 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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many "conservative" Catholic Freepers think abortion is OK

That's one of the things that define your Christianity. For example, one cannot claim to be a Catholic and not believe in God [Who, btw, is the Creator of all life].

I don't know of a single "Catholic Freeper" who supports any form of abortion.

5 posted on 10/27/2004 2:58:51 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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I believe many "conservative" Catholic Freepers think abortion is OK in case of rape and incest as evidenced by their support of President Bush.

I don't know of any Catholic FReepers who believe that. As you know, one is permitted to vote for the most pro-life of the two candidates running. That would be George W. Bush.

Do you think if Bush was Catholic he should be excommunicated?

Absolutely not. He is pro-life.

6 posted on 10/27/2004 3:02:38 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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I don't know of a single "Catholic Freeper" who supports any form of abortion.

But they will vote for a candidate who supports abortion in certain instances (rape and incest) when there are other candidates who oppose abortion under any circumstances. I guess some people just love a winner.

7 posted on 10/27/2004 3:05:20 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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He is pro-life.

Except in cases of rape and incest.

8 posted on 10/27/2004 3:06:02 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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As you know, one is permitted to vote for the most pro-life of the two candidates running

Two candidates?

9 posted on 10/27/2004 3:06:43 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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But they will vote for a candidate who supports abortion in certain instances (rape and incest) when there are other candidates who oppose abortion under any circumstances.

Who? Peroutka? He has zero chance of winning; he is also light-in-the-loafers in the war on terror.

10 posted on 10/27/2004 3:07:15 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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Yes. Two candidates. Anybody else running for president is inconsequential.


11 posted on 10/27/2004 3:07:52 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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Who? Peroutka? He has zero chance of winning; he is also light-in-the-loafers in the war on terror.

You prove my point that there are Catholic freepers that will support abortion under certain circumstances.

12 posted on 10/27/2004 3:10:57 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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You prove my point that there are Catholic freepers that will support abortion under certain circumstances.

When it means supporting a man who can actually do something about abortion (Bush signed the PBA ban), you betcha.

The only way Peroutka will get into the White House is with a ticket from his congressman.

13 posted on 10/27/2004 3:14:06 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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he is also light-in-the-loafers in the war on terror.

Is that some sort of comment on Peroutka's masculinity? Are you implying he's queer? Do you make the same asserions about the Pope, who holds the same position as Peroutka on the invasion of Iraq?

14 posted on 10/27/2004 3:16:08 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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The only way Peroutka will get into the White House is with a ticket from his congressman.

If every pro-lifer voted for him he would be elected. I guess abortion just isn't that important.

15 posted on 10/27/2004 3:17:19 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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John Paul II does not oppose the war on terror; he opposed the war on Iraq.

Peroutka is to the left of the Pope on the war on terror; he opposed the war in Afghanistan.

You interpret the "light-in-the-loafers" comment however it makes sense to you. I stand by it as it describes Peroutka's stance on the war on terror.

16 posted on 10/27/2004 3:20:16 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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there are Catholic freepers that will support abortion

The pro-abort Planned Parenthood endorses Kerry. It is the Planned Parenthood's very first presidential candidate endorsment ever.

What does it tell you?

17 posted on 10/27/2004 3:21:00 PM PDT by heyheyhey
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If every pro-lifer voted for him he would be elected.

Not true. Even if it were, his views are too weird in too many other areas.

18 posted on 10/27/2004 3:21:24 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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Catechism of the Catholic Church and what it says about those who support abortion
19 posted on 10/27/2004 3:28:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The pro-abort Planned Parenthood endorses Kerry. It is the Planned Parenthood's very first presidential candidate endorsment ever.

What does it tell you?

It tells me that Kerry is an instrument of Satan.

That's not my point. I believe a lot of Catholics like to look the other way when making tough decisions. They get their kids innoculated with vaccines made from aborted fetuses. They vote for a candidate who believes abortion is ok in certain circumstances because he's the lesser of two evils and because they would be embarrased to support a third-party, truly pro-life candidate (doesn't make for popular conversation at the neighborhood cocktail party). They make these decisions because they fear the results in this world if they lose - all the while ignoring God's will and what's to come in the next world.

20 posted on 10/27/2004 3:31:43 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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