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To: sinkspur
First of all, yes, I mean synthetic, as in:

"What happened after the Council was something else entirely: in the place of liturgy as the fruit of development came fabricated liturgy. We abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over centuries, and replaced it - as in a manufacturing process - with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product."CARDINAL RATZINGER

Secondly, the Catholicity of the Didache is questionable. It is not known, and questioned much, whether this is authentic or a book of some group of heretics.

Regardless, though, Pope Pius XII strongly warned us about this type of antiquarianism in Mediator Dei in 1947:

". But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See."PIUS XII

Now I know you are simply going to respond, as you have before, that no pope can bind another pope in liturgical matters rather than addressing the reasoning behind what he here condemns.

You seem to think that by hacking the arms and legs off of a grown man and throwing the amputee into a stroller you can somehow return him to the purity and innocence of his infancy. You can not. He has developed organically, and any superficial attempt to suddenly undo that process is extremely harmful.

That doesn't even address the fact that the only thing that resembles the "rites of antiquity" in in the Novus Ordo is the lack of form. It doesn't use the ancient prayers, it simply claims that there were different prayers in the early church, and so to imitate it we have to make a bunch of them up now. I notice that you haven't been out advocating the public confessions and extremely harsh penances of the early church. Why do you seem to only want changes that are easy or dumbed down?

30 posted on 09/29/2004 3:04:38 PM PDT by bonaventura
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To: bonaventura
Secondly, the Catholicity of the Didache is questionable. It is not known, and questioned much, whether this is authentic or a book of some group of heretics.

Perhaps you'd like to post one or two references which questions the Didache. And, make the reference someone outside the orbit of The Remnant.

I notice that you haven't been out advocating the public confessions and extremely harsh penances of the early church.

There were no public confessions. There were public penances, it is true, and one could likely guess what the sin was by the penance served.

You guys really do need to get over your hysteria about the Novus Ordo. It is not going anywhere. The best course of action at this point is to discuss ways of mutual coexistence. I am in favor of a wide application of the indult, where attendance can support it.

31 posted on 09/29/2004 3:46:21 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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