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To: saradippity

Nonsense. The confusion in the flock is caused by the Pope praying with witchdoctors and voodoo priests, not by the Archbishop's expressing shock and dismay at such behavior. Everyone understood where Lefebvre was coming from--and from his perspective Rome was apostate. I believe he was right absolutely. It is trying its damnedest to impose a new religion. Thanks to the traditional Catholicism he single-mindedly preserved, this won't happen.


319 posted on 09/22/2004 2:30:45 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio

"The confusion in the flock is caused by the Pope praying with witchdoctors and voodoo priests"

not to mention encouraging "inculturation"...
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A052rcTeepeeUS.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A022rcExitsTeepee.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A048rcBrazil.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A017rcIndianHut.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A015rcIndianChief.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A012rcNativeHandshake.htm


321 posted on 09/22/2004 4:10:30 AM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: ultima ratio
Everyone understood where Lefebvre was coming from--and from his perspective Rome was apostate. I believe he was right absolutely.

* If you are correct, then you are both heretics. See Vatican I re. the permanency of the Papacy and its remaining firm and the words of Jesus that He will be with His Church until the end of time and that He will send the Holy Ghost upon it to teach it all truth.

I don't think you realize your posts are an open admission of heresy and an open admission you have lost the Faith.

Pray "Lord be my strength and my salvation." Your immortal soul is in peril.

330 posted on 09/22/2004 5:37:43 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: ultima ratio
Everyone understood where Lefebvre was coming from--and from his perspective Rome was apostate. I believe he was right absolutely.

Session 4 : 18 July 1870

First dogmatic constitution on the Church of Christ

Pius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, with the approval of the Sacred Council, for an everlasting record.

1. The eternal shepherd and guardian of our souls [37], in order to render permanent the saving work of redemption, determined to build a Church in which, as in the house of the living God, all the faithful should be linked by the bond of one faith and charity.

2. Therefore, before he was glorified, he besought his Father, not for the apostles only, but also for those who were to believe in him through their word, that they all might be one as the Son himself and the Father are one [38].

3. So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world [39], even as he had been sent by the Father [40], in like manner it was his will that in his Church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.

4. In order, then, that the episcopal office should be one and undivided and that, by the union of the clergy, the whole multitude of believers should be held together in the unity of faith and communion, he set blessed Peter over the rest of the apostles and instituted in him the permanent principle of both unities and their visible foundation.

5. Upon the strength of this foundation was to be built the eternal temple, and the Church whose topmost part reaches heaven was to rise upon the firmness of this foundation [41].

6. And since the gates of hell trying, if they can, to overthrow the Church, make their assault with a hatred that increases day by day against its divinely laid foundation, we judge it necessary, with the approbation of the Sacred Council, and for the protection, defense and growth of the Catholic flock, to propound the doctrine concerning the 1. institution, 2. permanence and 3. nature of the sacred and apostolic primacy, upon which the strength and coherence of the whole Church depends.

7. This doctrine is to be believed and held by all the faithful in accordance with the ancient and unchanging faith of the whole Church.

8. Furthermore, we shall proscribe and condemn the contrary errors which are so harmful to the Lord's flock.

*When one looks at your statement and one reads the Dogmatic Teachings of the Catholic Church established by Jesus, one can easily see you are a heretic.

Repent while you still have time

331 posted on 09/22/2004 5:55:54 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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