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The whole thread is worn out. It is pretty much the same old wrong song, sang off key, and from someone else's sheet music. It is like the song, that was written in English, translated to French, and then back into English.

The SSPX is not Catholic. Easily shown by documents from the only authority that matters, the Holy See. Every Pope from that past would not tolerate Lefebvre, just as the did not tolerate Luther, or others who left the Church. All those people fall into the same group, opposing the rightful authority of the Pope, and shirking the obedience they promise to render him.

The fruit the SSPX has yielded is evident here. Even the Mod who isn't Catholic sees this fruit from the SSPX; insults to others, sedavacanism, petty squabbles, and now from a "bishop" of the SSPX, more of the same.

Nobody here who is a Catholic in good standing can say the Tridentine Mass is invalid. We can see that the SSPX is attempting to hijack it to make their own little fiefdom. When talking about the SSPX, they hide behind the Mass like an attack on them is an attack in the Tridentine rite.

Now we have the statements that every Novus Ordo Mass is a "Clown Mass", a conference of leaders to defuse violence at Assisi is elevated to Council status, and any contact with any other faith or talking about any secular figures results in a taint. Perhaps the Pope should not use a Radio, because Maxwell, who formulated the equations governing electromagnetism was a Scot and hence a Presbyterian.

As was pointed out, this isn't how a Catholic acts, much less a Christian.

D & N: Now that I am back from my self-imposed vacation during which I lurked more than I posted, I am remembering to thank both of you for the wonderful efforts you are expending here in defense of the Faith.

D: Excellent point as to the Tridentine Mass. It is a Mass of the Roman Catholic Church not to be hijacked by every Martin, Jean and Marcel for respective cult purposes. Well, OK, Martin and Jean had the integrity not to play make-believe Catholic on that score.

Though the SSPX clergy, illicit though they be, are ordained validly and can say valid Tridentine Masses, they don't get to steal it too (along with their excommunicated bishops' consecrations) and make it part of their flimsy structure. Long after SSPX is crushed, there will be Tridentine Masses. That will be in spite of the schism and most certainly not because of it.