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To: ninenot

Your post 458 makes no sense, I doubt if you read Cardinal Ottaviani's letter, or the accumulated findings. The cover letter alone speaks volumes. And I don't think Bugnini was buggering Weakland - or maybe he was - can you prove it? FYI Bugnini the mason wrote the NO.

The Letter:

Rome
25 September 1969

Most Holy Father:
Having carefully examined and presented for the scrutiny of others the New Order of Mass (Novus Ordo Missae) prepared by the experts of the Committee for the Implementation of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, and after lengthy prayer and reflection, we feel obliged before God and Your Holiness to set forth the following considerations:

1. The accompanying Critical Study is the work of a select group of bishops, theologians, liturgists, and pastors of souls. Despite its brevity, the study shows quite clearly that the Novus Ordo Missae--considering the new elements widely susceptible to widely different interpretations which are implied or taken for granted--represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Council of Trent.

The "canons" of the rite definitively fixed at that time erected an insurmountable barrier against any heresy which might attack the integrity of the Mystery.

2. The pastoral reasons put forth to justify such a grave break, even if such reasons could still hold good in the face of doctrinal considerations, do not seem sufficient.

The innovations in the Novus Ordo and the fact that all that is of perennial value finds only a minor place--if it subsists at all--could well turn into a certainty the suspicion, already prevalent, alas in many circles, that truths which have always been believed by the Christian people can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic faith is bound forever.

The recent reforms have amply demonstrated that new changes in the liturgy could not be made without leading to complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful, who already show signs of restiveness and an indubitable lessening of their faith.

Among the best of the clergy, the result is an agonizing crisis of conscience, numberless instances of which come to us daily.

3. We are certain that these considerations, prompted by what we hear from the living voice of shepherds and the flock, cannot but find an echo in the heart of Your Holiness, always so profoundly solicitous for the spiritual needs of the children of the Church. The subjects for whose benefit a law is made have always had the right, nay the duty, to ask the legislator to abrogate the law, should it prove to be harmful.

At a time, therefore, when the purity of the faith and the unity of the Church suffer cruel lacerations and still greater peril, daily and sorrowfully echoed in the words of You, our common Father, we most earnestly beseech Your Holiness not to deprive us of the possibility of continuing to have recourse to the integral and fruitful Missal of St. Pius V, so highly praised by Your Holiness, and so deeply venerated by the whole Catholic world.

A. Card. Ottaviani A. Card. Bacci


481 posted on 08/02/2004 5:57:11 PM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: Arguss
Excellent post, Arguss, excellent, and this particular passage here is as salient as salient gets:

The recent reforms have amply demonstrated that new changes in the liturgy could not be made without leading to complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful, who already show signs of restiveness and an indubitable lessening of their faith.

I'm reading a book on the Doctrine of Infallibility right now, and it's just fascinating, and always beacons us to look to the 'Ancient Tradition.' I learn so much from you guys, you're an erudite bunch, all of you. But I fear that the lovers of the Ancient Tradition will soon be 'playing outlawed tunes on outlawed pipes.'

486 posted on 08/02/2004 6:18:05 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Arguss
FYI Bugnini the mason wrote the NO.

No--REALLY??

Mein Herz!

Here's another real secret: Weakland was the "celebrant" at the trial run in PaulVI's chapel.

As to the cover letter you indicate "speaks volumes:" no it does not.

It says that O. and Co. would REALLY prefer that the NO not be implemented.

ANOTHER Shock to my delicate system!!!

Next you'll tell me that Quo Primum prevents the Supreme Legislator (that's the Pope) from changing one jot, or one tittle, in the Mass.

Yup.

FYI, I think that the NO is a disaster.

But it IS the Perfect Sacrifice.

No "flaws"--kapische?

498 posted on 08/02/2004 6:44:50 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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