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To: Dominick

I've just finished saying I don't decide these things, the Church does. I am not judging the Pope's motives, only his actions--and they are not orthodox, they are heterodox and scandalous. But popes and councils decide these things for the rest of us, not me. The Pope is bound by these doctrines, same as everybody else. And he is also bound by the first commandment, same as everybody else.

I'm sure you have prayed with non-Catholics in some public places. But have you prayed as the Pope has done, in a Jewish synagogue--reciting JEWISH prayers for the coming of a Messiah other than Jesus? Have you joined your Catholic prayers in a formal ceremony alongside Voodoo priests or witchdoctors praying simultaneously to their gods? How are these actions not syncretic or indifferentist?

You may call me schismatic for the thousandth time--it won't make you any more right--or me any less so. I am certainly a Catholic, whether you or others on this site say so or not. In fact, you do exactly what you claim I am doing: behaving like a pope, excommunicating others, deciding who's in and who's out of the Catholic Church. This is ridiculously pompous--but typical of you, and what I've come to expect from your posts.


368 posted on 08/02/2004 9:34:23 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio; Dominick
"In fact, you do exactly what you claim I am doing: behaving like a pope, excommunicating others, deciding who's in and who's out of the Catholic Church. This is ridiculously pompous--"

Bingo.
374 posted on 08/02/2004 9:46:29 AM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: ultima ratio
. In fact, you do exactly what you claim I am doing: behaving like a pope, excommunicating others, deciding who's in and who's out of the Catholic Church.

For the thousandth time, it isn't me, it is the Church who expelled you. I simply quote the applicable document.
379 posted on 08/02/2004 10:00:06 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: ultima ratio
Over the past year and one half Cardinal Ratzinger and the Pope have both said something like this: "To those Jews who are waiting for the Messiah,He will come and they will recognize Him for the first time,it is Jesus. Christian's will see Him too. But for them it will be the second coming. The Jewish Messiah and Jesus are one and the same".

Cardinal Arinze,at the end of Ted Turner's Milliniel One World Religion Jubilee in the year 2000 which was timed to coincide and support some U.N. sponsored conference's announcement about the new age and who rules the one world said something very interesting then.

He and the Catholic contingent sat through three days of listening to every little cult leader in the world advocate for universal brotherhood,more spirituality and more yada,blah.,he finally rose to speak.

It was very short and to the point.He said: "I have listened to all of you talk about the wonders of this beautiful spirituality and peace that this one world religion will bring to earth. The Catholic Church is very much iin favor of this,as long as that one religion is Catholicism." I understand there was utter silence and the convocation broke up immediately. I thought it was so funny. I was following these events closely for several personal reasons. The religious celebration as well as the big U.N. sponsored one,fizzled with little fanfare.

478 posted on 08/02/2004 5:18:30 PM PDT by saradippity
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