[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

I think that the Mass (liturgical worship) is very important so don't get me wrong but there are other Catholic traditions and traditional aspects of Catholic culture which have been eroded beyond just the way Mass is celebrated. Catholic education has been targeted for social engineering in bizarre liberal and modernist ways. Now, the people who see something positive in Vatican II overlook the very obvious liberal modernist ways that Catholic culture has been eroded in Catholic institutions by invocations of "the spirit of Vatican II."

This is an important topic and it should be debated fairly, honestly, and accurately with reference to all the facts. I don't think we should view the debate in knee-jerk fashion immediately as something negative. This should be discussed. The truth and the facts will come out.

[Max Combined]

"Catholic education has been targeted for social engineering in bizarre liberal and modernist ways. Now, the people who see something positive in Vatican II overlook the very obvious liberal modernist ways that Catholic culture has been eroded in Catholic institutions by invocations of "the spirit of Vatican II.""

Yep.

One would have to be willfully blind not to notice.

"By their fruits you shall know them"

[Max Combined]

"Catholic education has been targeted for social engineering in bizarre liberal and modernist ways."

My wife home schooled our daughter using Catholic books with copyright dates in the 1950s. Not only did our daughter do well enough academically to attend Rice University, much more importantly, she is a very sweet, good, and religious young woman.

"By their fruits you shall know them"

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.