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Daniel Bible Study (Ongoing Thread) Continuing To Revelation
Bible | 7-20-04 | Christians

Posted on 07/20/2004 11:22:48 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT

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To: 1john2 3and4; Quix; All
Look at this verse! It could also be doing away with our bible as we know it. Maybe the LAW is the whole bible.
The bible encompasses the ten commandment, sacrifice, etc.

I have been looking at " the law" on search. There is a difference between your law (mans Law) and my law (GOD).

So I summarize it to means some GREAT change in the way Christians worship. This is something so great that it is as life changing as Jesus coming. The time could mean a change in calender Jewish or Islamic, (problemly not that is to simple). I don't think this has happened yet, But we are on the right track. But then again things may move at a rapped pace, Israel became a nation in a day.

Joshua 1
6 "(1) Be strong and courageous, for you shall give this people possession of the land which I swore to their fathers to give them.
7 "Only be strong and very courageous; (2) be careful to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may have success wherever you go.
8 "(3) This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; (4) for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success.
81 posted on 08/07/2004 2:50:08 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: 1john2 3and4; All

We know that humanistic, global government oriented, Godless, hostile to Christianity and Life judges have ALREADY CHANGED THE LAWS of our land toward the paradigm shift that will be reigning during the AC's world government reign.

We know because we've seen it creeping at a faster and faster pace--especially when blind, mindless DIMRATS are in power--we've seen a rush to more and more such laws and regulations.

WHEN [not IF] the Global government is more overtly formalized effectively over more of the world, such laws, demands, regulations will be implemented probably among the first such actions on the part of such hideous traitors.

It won't just be liberal goons sitting in Evangelical churches monitoring for antihomosexual statements to threaten or to take away IRS special categories on the basis of--it will be monitoring at every level and corner of society

TO REMOVE from said society such 'poisonously destructive' individuals as those who dare to believe in the true Almighty God and thereby--in the idiots' minds--hinder or retard the world from ushering in the NEW AGE OF PEACE AND WHATEVER-FEELS-GOOD-DO ITism. Little do they know that then comes sudden destruction.

But they shall proclaim an end to time in terms of AD and the beginning of a new counting of time according, probably to the beginning of the reign of the AC or false prophet or some such--probably the reign of the AC. And accordingly

ALL LAWS relating to religion and social relationships and interactions which Christianity would most have spoken to and instructed on--all such laws will be wiped off the books and laws 180 degrees--in many cases--will be implemented instead. IN other cases, the laws will be merely reworded to take all the power and authenticity out of Christian practices and to infect them with toothless, Christ's BloodLESS; Sound Scripture-less etc. laws and regulations which will give masses of SHEEPLE an illusion of spirituality without any life sustaining reality and certainly without any hope of eternal Life.

To my mind, this is a fair summary of what the changes in times and laws will be about. Removal of all laws supporting a good and authentic Relationship with God and the implementation of laws which will require the persecution and eventually, the imprisonment and execution of anyone daring to try and maintain and act out such a relationship with God.

When that time comes, we can say in this land under God of the free--that the laws have certainly been changed.


82 posted on 08/07/2004 3:43:03 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix; 1john2 3and4; BriarBey
Thanks briarbey:)
To others this was posted on TM thread thought this info may come in handy later. Very interesting i am intrigued

To: All
The only thing I have to say is "You shall know the truth and the truth shall MAKE you free." Dig for it...like a pot of silver hidden on an acre field. I see alot posted here, and alot of it is nothing more than a smoke screen to keep you busy and away from the truth. All of it heartfelt and genuine, but still busy work. Identify the Whore in Genesis, she is the SAME Whore in Revelation, THEN find her daughters, because they will return to her. She is at the beginning and at the end of the book and she has offspring. That's all I am going to say, because unless you unearth it yourself, that pot of silver doesn't mean near as much to you and you can't fathom it all if someone is feeding the truth (meat) in large quantities, you'll choke on it and spit it out. Just go to the library, hit the history books, go to archeology and look at the artifacts found from back in that time. It is all very BLACK AND WHITE. God in not into gray areas, He is about black and white...for Him or against Him. KNOW your enemy. Be as gentle as doves and as sly as serpents.



3,458 posted on 08/08/2004 7:40:00 PM EDT by BriarBey
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83 posted on 08/08/2004 5:04:09 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Your welcome. :) Happy hunting...took me 7 yrs...lol.


84 posted on 08/08/2004 5:26:15 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; All

FWIW in all this . . .

May I have your attention please?

by Michael G. Mickey


Christians, while I hasten to tell you it's time to start packing your suitcases for a ride into the heavenlies, the end must surely be drawing near, as demonstrated by a Haaretz article detailing how Israel is suddenly warming to the idea of an EU-UN role in Gaza.


For some time now, as those of you who regularly read my website know, I've been telling my readers to keep their eye on the international Quartet of Russia, the United States, the European Union, and the United Nations. Why? Because the goal of this group of many nations is to establish peace in the Middle East between Israel and her enemies.


The prophet Daniel tells us, as seen in Daniel 9:26-27, a seven-year covenant of peace is going to be confirmed in the Middle East by a leader who will confirm it with many.


>From the very first time I heard of the international Quartet's formation until the present, I have strongly felt the Quartet could be the group of nations Daniel was referring to. I'm not dogmatically saying this is the case, but it well could be, especially when we consider the prophet Zechariah's vision of Jerusalem becoming a cup of trembling and a burdensome stone in the last days.


Zechariah 12:2-3: Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.


Not only have I been telling my readers to keep an eye on the international Quartet, but to particularly keep an eye out for the European Union to take a leading role in the pursuit of Middle East peace. Why have I felt this could take place? For several reasons.


Bible prophecy identifies the European Union, the revived Roman empire foretold by the prophet Daniel, as the final empire that will rule the world prior to the return of Jesus Christ. Who will lead this empire? The leader I referred to earlier who will confirm the seven-year covenant of peace between Israel and her enemies - a man Daniel refers to as "the prince that shall come" in Daniel 9:26. This man will be the prophesied Antichrist who will bring about a new world order only to be broken without hand in the end by Jesus Christ at the battle of Armageddon.


As we look at the world today, the foundation for the Antichrist's new world order is already in place, partly in the form of the United Nations, a precursor to the Antichrist's new world order, and partly in the form of the European Union, a union of 25 nations we can be certain will eventually fall under the Antichrist's direct control. Interestingly, it's these two international unions that currently seem to be taking the lead in the peace process.


A few excerpts of interest from the Haaretz article:
Israel is warming to a United Nations and European Union role in the Gaza Strip following feedback received by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on the disengagement plan in telephone conversations with UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and the EU head of foreign affairs, Javier Solana.


The pair discussed details of the plan, with Annan saying "the United Nations would be glad to assist as much as possible for the realization of the plan." The secretary general added that the international community would like to assist and contribute - in effort and resources - in order to ensure that the implementation of the disengagement plan is successful.


Annan has emphasized, however, that the United Nations, as one of the members of the Quartet, regards the disengagement plan as part of the road map.


By compiling the information shown in these excerpts, we see Kofi Annan and Javier Solana, speaking on behalf of the international community, are actively talking peace in the Middle East with Israel, vowing the international community is ready to assist and contribute to Ariel Sharon's Gaza pullout plan, viewing his plan as part of the Quartet's roadmap to peace - the goal of which is the creation of a Palestinian state and the division of Israel's covenant lands in the name of peace - a scenario I believe may ultimately lead to the rise of the Antichrist, which will, of course, be preceded by the Rapture of the Church.


It was only a few weeks ago that the European Union's top diplomat, Javier Solana, had a difficult and cold visit with Israel in the aftermath of the EU's decision to back the majority of the world in condemning Israel's separation barrier, creating an environment that left many wondering if the timing was wrong for the EU to pursue peace in the Middle East.


After Solana's visit to Israel concluded, I said I suspected things weren't nearly as bad as they seemed and predicted we hadn't seen the last of the EU pursuing peace in the Middle East. Less than a month later, it seems Israel has forgiven the European Union and is warming to the idea of the EU playing a major role in its Gaza pullout plan.

Do I have your attention yet?


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85 posted on 08/09/2004 3:48:17 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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dear quix! in words, you paint the end-times picture eloquently. over the time ive been here at FR, i have seen others whose pictures agree on other threads....and i have seen bickering, confusion (mainly), and aspersions cast (because of those things) at the cause of christ.

if i havent done it enough, let me thank you for the civility, patience, and willingness to learn that you have engendered on this thread. god bless you! it is a challenge to understand these things rightly. too often, this "understanding" (matt 24) challenges our firmly held beliefs, we are not as willing to learn, and confusion reigns...and we exchange speculation(s) ad infinitum and to too many, its ad nauseum.

briar, you posted an interesting comment on one of the recent threads to the effect that the 'enemy' will get you in the back while all of this other stuff (the speculation du jour) was going on....maybe youve read enough of my comments on this thread to know that i'd say; "AMEN"!

the thing i keep trying to get back to is the time prophesies. some events have happened, some ARE happening, some will. the correct understanding of end-time players & events is, in very large measure, based upon the application - the biblically determined application (previously noted earlier in the thread) - of what time these events occur.

the other clues to identities (particularly of dragon, beast, & false prophet) regard specific behaviors....what we are studying, with cross-referencing, merit attention, imho, in order to minimize time spent on guessing & speculatin'(in so far as possible). the world's duties are calling right now....god bless!

86 posted on 08/09/2004 8:20:43 AM PDT by 1john2 3and4 (when the Democrats attack its campaigning, when the Republicans campaign its attacking)
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briar, you posted an interesting comment on one of the recent threads to the effect that the 'enemy' will get you in the back while all of this other stuff (the speculation du jour) was going on....maybe youve read enough of my comments on this thread to know that i'd say; "AMEN"!
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Well...to be honest with you if you knew me as a person and not a posting Freeper, you would think, she is such an air head anything prophetic and with any depth has to come from the Lord, cause her brain couldn't do it...lol. I have never been one to be swayed by others opinions, I know what I know. So no I don't remember your comments.
There is not enough room to give a testimony about my life and the miracle of my life and what surrounds me. Or how the Lord has had me make LIFE saving decisions that go against the grain of every Dr. I have ever come in contact with. I give merit for effort and a spiritual hunger in alot of posters I see here. I don't fault their sincereity, and I do find confusion BUT they are searching, that is far better than no search at all. I stand my ground on what I have been shown regardless of disagreement because my Heavenly Father has never left me nor forsaken me nor lied to me. I am a simple person and see past alot of the smoke and confusion, I am also a very black and white person. Black = anti-christ White= Christ Something is either for Christ or against Christ.
He said "Many would come saying He was the Christ." But in their ways they would deny him. Faith and trust is all I have. Adam and Eve walked by faith. The tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil was not to be touched. Notice that tree contained the knowledge of GOOD, why would God not want us to have the knowledge of good? Because we would start using our heads to hear him instead of our hearts, WE would decide what was good and what was bad!! Trust would be overtaken by knowledge and knowledge puffs up. Isn't that what we see all around us?


87 posted on 08/09/2004 9:42:06 AM PDT by BriarBey
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

TRUE, TRUE!


88 posted on 08/09/2004 9:50:21 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: 1john2 3and4

THANKS TONS for your kind words. All for our precious Lord and in His service, Love and Name.

Agree a lot about some prophecies have been fulfilled, some are in the process of being fulfilled and others will be fulfilled.

It would be a great service to at least us, if not The Body if such categories could be laid out in any clear summary fashion, imho.


89 posted on 08/09/2004 9:55:04 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: BriarBey

Much agree about the knowledge part.

And thanks for enlarging my understanding of the big issues surrounding the differences between eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil vs the tree of Life.


90 posted on 08/09/2004 9:57:34 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix

And thanks for enlarging my understanding of the big issues surrounding the differences between eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil vs the tree of Life.
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Your welcome but believe me little tid-bits like that don't come out of organized religion, He said the Holy Spirit would be our teacher, I'm not the only one He is teaching.......there is a remnant. Where my Heavenly Father is concerned I am merely a child and a very small child at that, faith should be just that simple.


91 posted on 08/09/2004 10:35:45 AM PDT by BriarBey
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To: BriarBey

True for all who genuinely seek to follow The Father, Our Lord, by His Spirit, daily filled with His Spirit.

THX.


92 posted on 08/09/2004 11:15:03 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix
Good read and another idea 3 horns UN, EU, NATO now what would the 4th one be? It almost has to be some sort of Muslim ?????
I am almost thinking that Allah is one part of the AC. Like we have GOD they have Allah, we will have Jesus Christ they will have Mahdi.???????, we have the Holy Spirit they have the devil .
93 posted on 08/09/2004 11:14:21 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: BriarBey
Your welcome but believe me little tid-bits like that don't come out of organized religion, He said the Holy Spirit would be our teacher,
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This is so true. I have been so upset with organized (which is man-made) I find some have lost the meaning of worship = To pay divine honors to; to reverence with supreme respect and veneration; to perform religious exercises in honor of; to adore; to venerate.

I would be so excited to found a church that would simulate the following verse. Churches of today do to much teaching, hand holding not to offend and so many extra activities going on some have become social clubs.


Revelation 19
3 And a second time they said, " Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER."
4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne saying, " Amen. Hallelujah!"
5 And a voice came from the throne, saying, " Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great."
94 posted on 08/09/2004 11:38:17 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: Quix
Quix
Guess I'm still ver inclined to see the 3 kingdoms/kings falling in subjection to the AC or world ruler as being modern kingdoms/countries. I suppose it could be a group of countries but I expect it to be countries.
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I probably sound contradictory to myself. I agree to some extent to the above. I firmly believe it is going to be something from the Roman Empire and that is about all I know. There are just to many variations of what it could be and I keep in mind GOD thoughts are not my thought.
95 posted on 08/09/2004 11:53:26 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: 1john2 3and4

great map of Roman Empire

http://www.dalton.org/groups/Rome/RMap.html


96 posted on 08/10/2004 12:01:50 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: Quix

I don't think the thorough living out of the times and laws will be evident until the global government is in place. Personal opinion.

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I think you are correct and we will not see it.


97 posted on 08/10/2004 12:05:30 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: 1john2 3and4
could the point be made that this massive shift--a global paradigm shift of epoch making proportions affecting, essentially, all the inhabitants of the globe is described by dan 7:25?....im not sure what you're saying here....is it that a defining characteristic of these events, maybe the defining characteristic is that it is "known" or "seen", or in the fuller sense; "realized" by the entire world?
interesting.....im thinking that a change in 'the law' by itself could qualify as a global paradigm shift....not to mention "speaking great words"...."blaspheming"...the "most high" - shudder.

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I think this change in time and law will be something like the AC coming to power. Like Jesus Christ coming and how we had a change from B.C to A.D.. The law will be I think a change in worship of GOD almighty. The AC will come in great power and deceive many so his coming would have to be something of biblical perportions not to be confused as being as great as Jesus.
98 posted on 08/10/2004 12:15:11 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

This is so true. I have been so upset with organized (which is man-made)
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So true, I do have a question, is it possible we are that revised Roman Empire? I mean look at our symbolism for this country, the way our gov. is set up with a senate. I see so much that mirrors the Roman Empire of that time, no other country has ever been this similar. What do think?


99 posted on 08/10/2004 4:37:34 AM PDT by BriarBey
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Well said, imho.


100 posted on 08/10/2004 9:44:03 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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