To: ultima ratio
Gantin is a peer, another bishop. He has no standing to excommunicate an archbishop. Your posting this proves nothing.Your posting this proves something - your ignorance of the structure of the Church.
According to ultima, Roman Congregations have no authority. What an amazing new discovery - a novelty in the true sense of the word.
In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors. (Vatican II, Christus Dominus 9)
And if the Council won't do:
They argue that the sentence of schism and excommunication pronounced against them by the Archbishop of Tyana, the Apostolic Delegate in Constantinople, was unjust, and consequently void of strength and influence. (Bl. Pius IX, Quartus Supra)
According to ultima, the "neo-schismatics" were right and Bl. Pius IX wrong - the excommunication by the "peer" of the schismatics - the Archbishop of Tyana - was in fact "unjust, and consequently void of strength and influence".
867 posted on
07/21/2004 6:09:43 PM PDT by
gbcdoj
(No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
To: gbcdoj
Actually, you are the one mistaken. Gantin's statement was not a decree of excommunication, but a warning that a latae sententiae offense was pending. So your analogy is false.
To: gbcdoj; Dominick; BlackElk; ninenot
According to ultima, Roman Congregations have no authority. What an amazing new discovery - a novelty in the true sense of the word the "neo-schismatics" were right and Bl. Pius IX wrong - the excommunication by the "peer" of the schismatics - the Archbishop of Tyana - was in fact "unjust, and consequently void of strength and influence".
Maybe you or someone can tell me how to ignore the parallels evident in what you cited here to the "modern" thinkers who'd have everyone believe UP IS DOWN, RIGHT IS WRONG, EUTHANASIA, ABORTION, CLONING, FETAL STEMCELL RESEARCH ISN'T ABOUT DEATH BUT LIFE, MORALITY'S AN EXCUSE FOR BEING UPTIGHT, IT DEPENDS WHAT YOUR DEFINITION OF is, is yada, yada, yada, ad nauseum.
874 posted on
07/21/2004 6:45:34 PM PDT by
GirlShortstop
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