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To: ultima ratio
It is a indisputed act, that carries an excommunication. The Pope mearly let it ride, and it is in effect, Fellay says in so many words, he is excommunicated. If he admits it, that carries more worth than your arguement.

A public act, and public statements, need not have anything else done to make an excommunication stick. Adding that it can only be an internal matter is an innovation.
851 posted on 07/21/2004 11:34:28 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

No. The Pope did more than announce the latae sententiae. He not only ignored the exonerating evidence that precluded any penalty, but he interpreted the act as schismatic. That was a double falsehood, invented by him, having no basis in the evidence nor in the consecrations themselves. It was a gratuitous slam against the SSPX, designed to punish. But it was false. The bottom line is that excommunications and schisms only matter if they are real. If they are false, then the innocent party may ignore them--as the SSPX does. It KNOWS it is neither excommunicated nor in schism, no matter how much the Pope misinterpreted its motives.


854 posted on 07/21/2004 11:45:18 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Dominick

You are illogical and all over the place. Stick to the issue. Here is what the encyclopedia says: "Excommunication is said to be unjust when, though valid, it is wrongfully applied to a person really innocent but believed to be guilty." It goes on to say such an unjust decree may be ignored since it has no effect.

The Pope's motu proprio is just such an unjust declaration and may be ignored--and is. You don't like this attitude. But the truth is the truth. It is clear that the Archbishop saw Traditional Catholicism being wrecked by modernism. It is also clear the Pope did not seem to mind. It was the Archbishop who acted to protect Tradition and preserve the faith--something the Pope himself ought to have done, but didn't.


855 posted on 07/21/2004 12:00:50 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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