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To: ultima ratio; Viva Christo Rey; Hermann the Cherusker
So, how about pointing out the problems with the 1970 prayers. What makes them so evil? Here are the prayers compared for Corpus Christi, Easter Sunday, Trinity Sunday, and the Holy Family. This time you won't be comparing the 1970 Latin with the ICEL English "translation"!

Corpus Christi

Collect:

1970 Missal
Deus, qui nobis sub sacramento mirabili
passionis tuae memoriam reliquisti,
tribue, quaesumus,
ita nos Corporis et Sanguinis tui sacra mysteria venerari,
ut redemptionis tuae fructum in nobis iugiter sentiamus.

1962 Missal
Deus, qui nobis sub sacramento mirabili
passionis tuae memoriam reliquisti,
tribue, quaesumus,
ita nos Corporis et Sanguinis tui sacra mysteria venerari,
ut redemptionis tuae fructum in nobis iugiter sentiamus.

Prayer over the gifts:

1970 Missal
Ecclesiae tuae, quaesumus, Domine,
unitatis et pacis propitius dona concede
quae sub oblatis muneribus mystice designatur.

1962 Missal
Ecclesiae tuae, quaesumus, Domine,
unitatis et pacis propitius dona concede
quae sub oblatis muneribus mystice designatur.

Prayer after Communion:

1970 Missal
Fac nos, quaesumus, Domine,
divinitatis tuae sempiterna fruitione repleri,
quam pretiosi Corporis et Sanguinis tui
temporalis perceptio praefigurat.

1962 Missal:
Fac nos, quaesumus, Domine,
divinitatis tuae sempiterna fruitione repleri,
quam pretiosi Corporis et Sanguinis tui
temporalis perceptio praefigurat.

Trinity Sunday

Collect:

1970 Missal
Deus Pater, qui, Verbum veritatis
et Spiritum sanctificationis mittens in mundum,
admirabile mysterium tuum hominibus declarasti,
da nobis, in confessione verae fidei,
aeternae gloriam Trinitatis agnoscere,
et Unitatem adorare in potentia maiestatis.

1962 Missal
Omnipotens sempiterne Deus,
qui dedisti famulis tuis in confessione verae fidei,
aeternae Trinitatis gloriam agnoscere,
et in potentia majestatis adorare unitatem:
quaesumus, ut eiusdem fidei firmitate,
ab omnibus semper muniamur adversis

Prayer over the gifts:

1970 Missal
Sanctifica, quaesumus, Domine Deus noster,
per tui nominis invocationem,
haec munera nostrae servitutis,
et per ea nosmetipsos tibi perfice munus aeternum.

1962 Missal
Sanctifica, quaesumus, Domine Deus noster,
per tui nominis invocationem,
haec munera nostrae servitutis,
et per ea nosmetipsos tibi perfice munus aeternum.

Prayer after Communion:

1970 Missal
Proficiat nobis ad salutem corporis et animae,
Domine Deus noster, huius sacramenti susceptio,
et sempiternae sanctae Trinitatis
eiusdemque individuae Unitatis confessio.

1962 Missal:
Proficiat nobis ad salutem corporis et animae,
Domine Deus noster, huius sacramenti susceptio,
et sempiternae sanctae Trinitatis
eiusdemque individuae Unitatis confessio.

Easter Sunday

Collect:

1970 Missal
Deus, qui hodierna die, per Unigenitum tuum,
aeternitatis nobis aditum, devicta morte, reserasti,
da nobis, quaesumus,
ut, qui resurrectionis dominicae sollemnia colimus,
per innovationem tui Spiritus in lumine vitae resurgamus.

1962 Missal
Deus, qui hodierna die, per Unigenitum tuum,
aeternitatis nobis aditum, devicta morte, reserasti,
da nobis, quaesumus,
ut, qui resurrectionis dominicae sollemnia colimus,
per innovationem tui Spiritus in lumine vitae resurgamus.

Prayer over the gifts:

1970 Missal
Sacrificia, Domine, paschalibus gaudiis exsultantes offerimus,
quibus Ecclesia tua mirabiliter renascitur et nutritur.

1962 Missal
Suscipe, quaesumus, Domine,
preces populi tui cum oblationibus hostiarum:
ut Paschalibus initiata mysteriis,
ad aeternitatis nobis medelam,
te operante, proficiant.

Prayer after Communion:

1970 Missal
Perpetuo, Deus, Ecclesiam tuam pio favore tuere,
ut, paschalibus renovata mysteriis,
ad resurrectionis perveniat claritatem.

1962 Missal:
Spiritum nobis, Domine tuae caritatis infunde:
ut quos sacramentis Paschalibus satiasti,
tua facia pietate concordes.

Holy Family

Collect:

1970 Missal
Deus, qui praeclara nobis sanctae Familiae
dignatus es exempla praebere,
concede propitius,
ut domesticis virtutibus caritatisque vinculis illam sectantes,
in laetitia domus tuae praemiis fruamur aeternis.

1962 Missal
Domine Jesu Christe, qui Mariae et Joseph subditus,
domesticam vitam ineffabilibus virtutibus consecrasti:
fac nos, utriusque auxilio,
Familiae sanctae tuae exemplis instrui,
et consortium consequi sempiternum.

Prayer over the gifts:

1970 Missal
Hostiam tibi placationis offerimus, Domine,
suppliciter deprecantes,
ut, Deiparae virginis beatique Ioseph interveniente suffragio,
familias nostras in tua gratia firmiter et pace constituas.

1962 Missal
Placationis hostiam offerimus tibi Domine,
suppliciter deprecantes:
ut, per intercessionem Deiparae Virginis cum beato Joseph,
familias nostras in pace et gratia tua firmiter constituas

Prayer after Communion:

1970 Missal
Quos caelestibus reficis sacramentis,
fac, clementissime Pater,
sanctae Familiae exempla iugiter imitari,
ut, post aerumnas saeculi,
eius consortium consequamur aeternum.

1962 Missal:
Quos caelestibus reficis sacramentis,
fac, Domine Jesu sanctae Familiae tuae exempla jugiter imitari:
ut in hora mortis nostrae,
occurrente gloriosa Virgine Matre tua cum beato Joseph;
per te in aeterna tabernacula recipi mereamur.


678 posted on 07/19/2004 1:00:48 PM PDT by gbcdoj (No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
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To: gbcdoj

You can play this game till the cows come home. The New Missal here and there repeats a portion of a great prayer--so what? It is the entirety that matters and the meaning of the whole--which the Novus Ordo suppresses--that counts. Here is Ratzinger at Fontgombault whom I cite for the thousandth time:

"It is only against this background of the effective denial of the authority of Trent, that the bitterness of the struggle against allowing the celebration of Mass according to the 1962 Missal, after the liturgical reform, can be understood. The possibility of so celebrating constitutes the strongest, and thus (for them) the most intolerable contradiction of the opinion of those who believe that the faith in the Eucharist formulated by Trent has lost its value."

And speaking of the way the theology which undermines the faith by focusing on the assembly instead of worship of the Father--and then passes so easily from liturgy into practice, he states further:

"The serious nature of these theories comes from the fact that frequently they pass immediately into practice. The thesis according to which it is the community itself which is the subject of the Liturgy, serves as an authorisation to manipulate the Liturgy according to each individual’s understanding of it. So-called new discoveries and the forms which follow from them, are diffused with an astonishing rapidity and with a degree of conformity which has long ceased to exist where the norms of ecclesiastical authority are concerned. Theories, in the area of the Liturgy, are transformed rapidly today into practice, and practice, in turn, creates or destroys ways of behaving and thinking."

In other words, the Liturgy destroys the faith. It destroys a true concept of the Eucharist in particular. It destroys those doctrines emphatically stressed by Trent. How much clearer can it get?






684 posted on 07/19/2004 2:14:08 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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