[ultima ratio]

There is no mention of PROPITIATORY sacrifice. The Novus Ordo concept of sacrifice is not the traditional Catholic concept. It is the modernist re-defined sacrifice--of thanksgiving and praise for our salvation. Yippee. Protestant through and through.

[gbcdoj]

There is no mention of PROPITIATORY sacrifice. The Novus Ordo concept of sacrifice is not the traditional Catholic concept. It is the modernist re-defined sacrifice--of thanksgiving and praise for our salvation. Yippee. Protestant through and through.

Again, that's incompatible with the Novus Ordo texts. No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it so.

Vere Sanctus es, Domine, et merito te laudat omnis a te condita creatura, quia per Filium tuum, Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum, Spiritus Sancti operante virtute, vivificas et sanctificas universa, et populum tibi congregare non desinis, ut a solis ortu usque ad occasum oblatio munda offeratur nomini tuo. (EP III)

Respice, quaesumus, in oblationem Ecclesiae tuae et, agnoscens Hostiam, cuius voluisti immolatione placari ... (EP III)

Even in ICEL:

we offer you in thanksgiving this holy and living sacrifice.

Look with favor on your Church's offering, and see the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself.

[Dominick]

There is no mention of PROPITIATORY sacrifice.

Same arguments over and over again, and the same documents are trotted out showing that the Mass in indeed the same character as the Tridentine.

You use a straw man over and over again, or a single word or two to somehow shade your point, but it is to no avail. Saying the Mass isn't a sacrifice is ignoring the text itself, and the documents written about it. Equating objectively evil acts with saying the Novus Ordo Mass makes is clearly the problem with a number of SSPX folk, and that is a terrible radicalism.

Blaming problems in society on the Mass, and misusing comments Ratzinger made about chaos in liturgy as extrapolating to problems with society as a whole is pretty disingenuous. This is just another in a long line of poor arguements. Perhaps you can learn from Clinton how to parse "IS".

The SSPX, in particular, is more protestant than any authentic Traditionalist still in union with Rome.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

How can a "sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving" be made at the hands of the Priest?